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  • #9895
    davidb
    Flatchatter

      Hi,

      I live in a building where we have a tenant claiming to have a chemical sensitivity disability (allergies) who’s basically brought the building to it’s knee’s by raising discrimination complaints with the Australian Human Rights commission whenever the EC try and plan for the future.

      These complaints are not raised after decisions to do maintenance works have been made. They’re raised when we plan for future works. i.e we’re not even permitted by this tenant to discuss future works.

      On top of the false discrimination complaints the EC is being ordered by this tenant to dictate to the owners and residents how they must live in their own homes.

      Two households have been forced to move out by this tenant due to the harassment.

      The problem for us is that we can’t afford thousands in lawyers fees to protect our rights and we’re literally stuck waiting for the building to fall apart around us.

      It’s already a cesspool of insect vermin because we cannot spray for pests due to the legal threats coming in thick and fast from lawyers and other groups operating on the public purse.

      Eventually we’ll have to cough up for lawyers but where do we take this and who do we target?

      Do we take on the Human Rights Commission who have unlimited funds for this sort of stuff? They’ll bankrupt us all.

      Do we take on the Tenant who has nothing and will probably be supported by the Human Rights Commission anyway?

      Needless to say this situation is totally insane.

      With the rise of these sorts of conditions among the population this is something that others strata schemes will undoubtedly experience in the future. Unfortunately I suspect that we’re one of the first and there really isn’t a path for us to follow.

       

      Regards,

      David

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    • #23028
      Whale
      Flatchatter

        Gees David, I’ve never come across such a situation before, and whilst I understand how tenants would be aware of planned pest control activities (due to required notices under the Pesticides Act), how is it that this hyper-sensitive individual is aware of future activities of the Executive Committee?

        The Australian Human Rights Commission conciliates on complaints of the types that your hyper-sensitive tenant is making, so with what’s going on in the Commission right now, I recon. it’s an ideal time for your Owners Corporation to call this tenant’s bluff by participating in the conciliation process; there’s nothing to loose!

        #23030
        scotlandx
        Strataguru

          That is an odd one, I agree with Whale.

          Looking at it generally and this is not legal advice.  I am assuming this person is a tenant rather than an owner.

          Discrimination is where someone is treated unfairly because they belong to a particular group of people or have a particular characteristic, e.g. a disability.  In this case lets assume this person is claiming discrimination because they have an allergy or allergies.  It’s not clear if this person has provided proof of their allergies.

          In NSW discrimination law applies in five different areas – employment, goods and services, education, accommodation and registered clubs.  Obvious examples are where someone is dismissed from employment because of a disability, or someone is refused accommodation (rental) because of their race.  The only category this could fit in is provision of goods and services.  I don’t see how the OC is providing this person with goods and services, the landlord is.  I

          Human rights are a fuzzier concept and include basic rights such as equality before the law, the right to social security and education etc.

          The question is either – how is this person being discriminated against, and/or what human right would be infringed by the OC doing what it is required to do to ensure the building is maintained and the basic comfort and health of the residents is assured?  

          Equally – what is the appropriate balance between the needs and particular disabilities of one person, and the needs of a wider community?  Flowing from that – the OC is required to meet the requirements of the Act and manage the property, and take all reasonable steps in this regard.  It is not unreasonable for example, if the OC identifies that the building has termites, to take steps to eradicate them.  This would necessitate the use of chemicals etc.  I don’t think that anyone would say that a building should just be left to be eaten by termites because one resident has a sensitivity.  

          It would not be unreasonable for the OC to paint the common areas if they needed to be painted, provided appropriate notice were given, and anyone who may be affected by that activity was able to vacate while that was going on.  If that person was so sensitive that they could not tolerate the paint on an ongoing basis, I don’t believe that anyone would say that the wider community has to bear the burden, as opposed to the relevant person.  That is – while it is unfortunate – that person has to adjust their circumstances (which may include moving out) rather than the other way around.

          Call their bluff – if I were on the EC I would just go ahead and progress whatever needs to be done, while meeting all necessary requirements such as notification that you must give if you are doing something such as pest treatment.  That way you can bring it to a head and resolve the issue.  It sounds like the person may be unstable, and you say that they have been harassing other residents.  That in itself is a breach of the law and complaints could be made about that.  I am not sure why the EC is so scared of this person, but you generally find that once claims like this are tested, the resolution can be remarkably straightforward.

          #23032
          davidb
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            Thanks guys.

            When challenged in court we’ll win, there’s no doubt about that but no legal action is without costs and we’re not the richest scheme on the block.

            That’s ultimately the crux of it. We don’t want to drain our funds on lawyers but hopefully the cttt will help us act.

            #23033
            scotlandx
            Strataguru

              I don’t think it is a court matter, i.e. something heard by a judge.  A tribunal or Commissioner maybe.  But bear in mind that if the person is a tenant their action is primarily against the landlord.

              The question you should be asking is – given our duties under the Act and to the owners as a whole, how do we balance these against the (unreasonable) demands of one resident/tenant?

              #23035
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                @davidb said:
                When challenged in court we’ll win, there’s no doubt about that but no legal action is without costs and we’re not the richest scheme on the block.

                You will not be challenged in court, or, I suspect, the Tribunal.

                But if you are, the participants have to seek leave from NCAT to have legal representation – a rule that’s partly there just for cases like this and is far from given automatically.

                Get on with doing what you need to do and let Mr Sensitive back his threats with some actions.  But don’t hold your breath (pun intended).

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                #23036
                Whale
                Flatchatter

                  davidb said …..we don’t want to drain our funds on lawyers but hopefully the cttt will help us act.

                  NO…. keep away from the Civil & Administrative Tribunal (NCAT) – incorporating the former CTTT – and instead do what both Scottie and I have recommended.

                  Call the tenant’s bluff, have your E/C get on with organising whatever needs to be done for the greater good at your Plan in accordance with its obligations under the Act, let the tenant complain, and let the Australian Human Rights Commission conciliate on that complaint – because however poor their procedures may be (and I don’t know how they are), they couldn’t be worse than those used by the mediators at NSW Department of Fair Trading mostly as a precursor to attendant at the NCAT.

                  #23037
                  davidb
                  Flatchatter
                  Chat-starter

                    We have 2 complaints raised already which are in conciliation with the HRC.

                    The Human rights commission doesn’t actually conciliate. Their process is to rubber stamp whatever the complainant puts them regardless of how much merit it has.

                    The only determination that is made with respect to discrimination has happened or not is by a court. Sadly the conciliation process is a mechanism to drag things out indefinitely to the point where the respondent just gives up and agrees to anything because they can’t afford the legal costs and they just want it to go away.

                    We’ve already gone through Fair Trading mediation with the landlord and that actually went well because we were able to tip their hand somewhat in that they changed their demands with the HRC to something even more ridiculous and unreasonable.

                    Basically no maintenance unless the building is about to fall down.

                    It showed that they’re not doing this for any reason other than to cause trouble.

                    #23040

                    Taking this from another view point, has this person ever sat down and explained their condition or what the chemicals can be used?  It seems unreasonable that they void everything without any explanation or their condition.  

                    I personally do not think it would be an invasion of privacy to expect this person to explain what they can handle.  

                    All you are simply trying to do is find a situation that works for all not just one.  I think if they are not willing to at least meet and explain their situation then I agree with whale and call their bluff

                    Good Luck

                    #23042
                    davidb
                    Flatchatter
                    Chat-starter


                      @Missy
                      said:
                      Taking this from another view point, has this person ever sat down and explained their condition or what the chemicals can be used?  It seems unreasonable that they void everything without any explanation or their condition.

                      Yes, we’ve had the explanation about what they’re specifically allergic to. Everything was the answer and in minute quantities.

                      That of course is bogus because we know that they’ve been exposed to various petroleum, insecticidal and alcohol based chemicals with no effect.

                      #23076
                      robj
                      Flatchatter

                        If their lease has expired a landlord can give them 90 days notice to vacate, without specifying a reason. Of course, they could challenge the order, claiming that it’s retaliatory, but a tribunal must consider the EC’s obligation to maintain the property.

                        Are you not able to contact the owner of the property?

                        #23080
                        davidb
                        Flatchatter
                        Chat-starter

                          @robj said:
                          If their lease has expired a landlord can give them 90 days notice to vacate, without specifying a reason. Of course, they could challenge the order, claiming that it’s retaliatory, but a tribunal must consider the EC’s obligation to maintain the property.

                          Are you not able to contact the owner of the property?

                          The owner is a relative of the tenant. We think we’ve nailed the issue though. Some basic research has shown up a clear precedent and also there is clear exemption in the Disability Discrimination Act so at this stage it just looks like we’re being taken advantage of by forcing us to deal with false claims in order to distract us from doing what needs to be done.

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