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    Jimmy-T
    Keymaster

      It’s always a bit disappointing when you read the same old anti-apartment prejudices trotted out … especially when it comes from a colleague (albeit in a light-hearted vein)..

      Am I too sensitive?  Am I obsessed? Probably both but I read THIS PIECE online this week and, as much as dog really shouldn’t eat dog, I had to at least have a bark.

      Yes, there are serious and just bloody annoying issues that we have to deal with in apartment living. But most of them are not these.

       1. So many neighbours

      If you live in a house, you probably have neighbours on either side of you. Lucky you. When living in a high-rise apartment, commonly you’ll have neighbours above, below, and on both sides. This holds the potential for double the trouble. Your neighbours could be loud and partying all the time, or perhaps worse, they may complain about you every time you have even just two friends over for a couple of quiet drinks.

      Europeans have been living in apartments since Roman times, our Asian neighbours seem to cope too. It’s a trade-off; try buying a house near your city centre workplace, that is also handy for restaurants, cafes and shops. A three-bedroom terrace in Darlinghurst will set you back a couple of million, at least.

      At least in apartment blocks there are rules to stop people behaving badly, and conversely, they set parameters that stop people complaining about you because they have hypersensitive hearing and you like to play a little music.

      By the way, try dealing with a noisy neighbour when you live in a house.  A house-dwelling friend of mine ended up having his garden and the front of his house trashed and his life threatened when he politely complained about a non-stop party that had raged next door for three days and nights.

      Three cop cars and seven police arrested the neighbour who then took an AVO out against my friend but didn’t even turn up for court (my friend had to take the morning off work). Thank heavens for strata by-laws!  Also, when someone is behaving that badly, you can assume others are complaining too – so you can’t be singled out.

      Most people in apartments try to get on, allow each other a bit leeway and look after each other – it’s called community.  Many people in houses don’t even know their neighbours’ names.

      2. You can hear EVERYTHING

      Speaking of noise. In a building with so many people, you can hear someone, somewhere most of the time. This is especially the case if the walls are thin. What’s that banging next door? Oh, it’s neighbour one assembling their Ikea furniture. What’s that thumping from the ceiling? Oh, it’s neighbour two practising tap dance… well, hopefully.

      You must be living in a cheaply built or badly managed apartment block where other residents have been allowed to replace carpet with uninsulated floorboards and hang surround sound speakers off walls that only just meet the tolerances prescribed in our inadequate building regulations. If these things are occasional disturbances, they are signs of life, at worst.  If they are constant, there are ways of stopping them.

      I recall living in a house in Auckland where an elderly neighbour started each day, at about 7 am by scraping, yes SCRAPING, the gutter outside his house with a metal shovel, to clean up any debris that might have landed there in the previous 24 hours.  Requests that he use a brush, then the shovel, were met with “why would I do double the work when the shovel does it all in one go?”

      3. What’s with all the rules?

      Sometimes living in a high-rise apartment can feel more like living in an adult dorm. You can only move in or out at certain times and you have to keep it down during “quiet hours”. Next thing you know, you’ll have to start asking the building manager if it’s OK for your friend to sleep over.

      No you won’t. But let’s get this clear – you want everyone else to tiptoe around while you make as much noise as you like? That’s really going to work!

      The reason there are restrictions on when you can move in and out is that, left to their own devices, most people will move at weekends – often employing mates who don’t know what they are doing –  clogging up lifts, parking and stairwells at a time when everyone else is at home.

      Do it during the week and you will probably have to use professional removalists and will cause minimal disruption to your neighbours (although that doesn’t really count for much in our “me first” culture).

      4. Not-so pet friendly

      If you want to own a pet, living in a high-rise apartment can be a little impractical. Not only will your furry friend have limited space to run amok, the toilet breaks often involve lengthy trips up and down the building every time your pet needs to do its business.

      Hmmm.  Cat litter and dog bogs, anyone?  If you don’t want to walk your dog, don’t buy a dog or (and this is a poor alternative) live in a house with a yard. The whole “apartments are bad for pets” argument has been well and truly trampled to death under the feet of pet owners, dog walkers and even the pet-free who love saying hello neighbours’ animals but, like grandchildren, they can be handed back when you are done with them.

      5. The lift is a double-edged-sword

      …  don’t be too surprised when the lift stops on every floor when you’re running late. And then there’s the awkwardness – you stand there silently, reach past people to push buttons, and immediately end any conversation you were having as soon as a new person joins you in the lift.

      Why would you stop talking as soon as another person gets in?  Are you talking about them? That’s certainly what they will assume.  Next time you get in, they will stop talking about you. Oh, and there’s a cure for running late.  If you are going to work at the same time as everyone else – leave earlier (I speak as someone who once thought i was going to have to do my monthly spot on ABC 702 on the emergency phone when the lift stopped between floors on my way to the studio).

      6. Parcel delivery is tricky

      Living in a security-conscious building offers no safe place for the postman to leave your package while you’re at work, resulting in them leaving behind said slip. Isn’t this the reason we online shop in the first place? So that our packages can come to us, not us to them?

      Yeah … but the post office won’t leave them at your front gate or on your doorstep either because of your kleptomaniac neighbours who will happily jump the fence to nab your box set of Breaking Bad.  And what does this building manager of yours do when he’s not checking up on your overnight visitors or ignoring your complaints about the tap dancer upstairs?

      7. Fire alarm evacuation

      If the fire alarm goes off for any reason, have fun walking down more than a dozen flights of stairs. Then before you know it, you find yourself in a sea of strangers, wearing pyjamas at some ungodly hour. It’s amazing how much fuss burning a piece of toast can cause at times.

      If people are doing that a lot, they can be charged for the call-out and they usually then learn to dial down the toaster.  And it’s amazing what a leveller standing on the street in your jammies can be.

      8. Extra set of instructions for visitors

      By adding another dimension to your living situation, you add a considerable level of difficulty when giving friends and family instructions to your front door. With a house, you usually just give someone your street name and number and voila, they arrive with no fuss.

      Ever driven down a street, especially at night, looking for house numbers hidden behind ‘witty’ names like Dunromin, Costa Fortune and Thistledome? And as for visitors parking on a suburban road – forget it.  If two families in the same street have a dinner party on the same night, late arrivals are stuffed.  Then it’s walk three blocks and watch out for the muggers near the Pokemon Go hot spot.

      Look, apartment living isn’t perfect and there are more serious problems than those listed here. But if you want to live near work, cafes, shops and entertainment and you aren’t prepared to engage in your community in any meaningful way, ALL of the above could happen to you.

      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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    • #25115
      Pamster
      Flatchatter

        Great writing Jimmy T.

        Despite some of the strata issues I’ve had recently which were not with residents but absent investors, I can still see the benefit of living in a well run strata complex.

        Sure, there is the noise issue such as the much lamented night time toilet visits of the insomniacs who live in the unit above, but then when I’m feeling irked listening to the nocturnal tinkles I get a lovely sense of security knowing that if something major should happen to my home, i.e. the roof collapsing, or a sink hole opening up in the driveway. The cost of repairing them will be paid for by everyone, not just me.

        #25118
        Sir Humphrey
        Strataguru

          And then there are the opportunities to do things communally that you might not have the room or funds to do alone: 

          Our set of town houses has a tennis court, two children’s playgrounds recently refurbished with great equipment and shaded seating near by for supervising adults. A pizza oven and BBQ with picnic tables are enough for a party of several neighbouring households to get together. We have a little couple of patches of remnant bush so you can go for a brief bush walk and feel right away from things, even close to the city centre. We have a couple of open grassed areas that are big enough to throw a ball for a dog, play cricket, frisbee etc without worry that the ball will go over the fence into someone else’s yard. 

          I know about a hundred neighbours by name. 

          Try fitting all that onto a suburban block. 

          #25123
          Cosmo Huxley
          Flatchatter

            As someone who after 5 years in apartments, finally bought a free standing house, or else end up on the 6 o clock news as part of some horrific mass murder, I can attest that the 8 “pitfalls” of strata living are only a sample of what is wrong with living in a unit.

            Our 100 unit complex has been taken over by a dictatorial psychopath who has even physically assaulted tenants. Yet he cannot be charged because the only other witnesses are other EC members who refuse to provide statements.

            The whole place is like a hostage video; with people just resigned that this is the kind of horror they need to put up with until they have saved up / gotten a better job, and are ready to move to a proper abode – and that living in a dog box stacked on other dog boxes is a temporary agony that is best endured by ignoring it.

            Fair Trading aren’t interested and when we took it to NCAT they couldn’t care less and refused to even hear the case, on the basis that they thought our submission was “emotional”. Wouldn’t you be if you had been physically assaulted, have your internet connection cut at midnight by the EC president? And yet a majority of the strata owning sheep vote this lunatic in every year.

            My only advice is DON’T BUY an apartment. You are better off living in a shack 50 km away from your work, as long as it is YOUR SHACK, and you don’t have to ask permission to nail a picture frame in the wall.

            Strata living is a marxist nightmare that Orwell thought up and North Korea implemented. It’s fundamentally against human nature, and hardly surprised that growing populations have so many mental health problems having to live stacked on top of each other like lego blocks.

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