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    If we want to apply to strata for a dog, and the dog is yet to be purchased from a registered breeder, how do we go about completing the application?

    i.e. no records, no references – other than previous doggy parents’ kids, profiles, etc.

    Love to hear from people who have success, and particularly those who faced challenges along the way but with an ultimate success.

    Thanks!

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  • #25674
    Jimmy-T
    Keymaster

      There is no standard application form so we have no idea what yours requires.  More details needed.

      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
      #25675

      @JimmyT said:
      There is no standard application form so we have no idea what yours requires.  More details needed.  

      I understand from googling that the puppy resume should be as complete as possible including facts, breed, temperament, references (vet, neighbours, etc.), photos, etc.

      We are looking at:

      – pure breed Labrador puppy (female)

      – from registered breeder

      – desexed, microchipped, vaccinated

      – registered with council

      – toilet trained when brought home around 8-10 weeks

      – will go to obedience / behavioural training

      – will go to puppy day care on some weekdays

       

      As the puppy is yet to be born and be collected after 8 weeks, the application has to be made prior to us booking and making the purchase of the puppy. Therefore, the only evidence we can supply is our commitment to purchase the puppy, vet and breeder references/pictures etc. of the puppy’s parents, the puppy’s older siblings from previous batches etc. Also, our commitment to follow through with the arrangements such as puppy obedience training, compliance with conditions with the application approval agreed etc.

      So, this must be common scenario so I’m wondering how others have applied for a (future/new/yet-to-be-born) puppy with their strata.

      cheers

      #25679
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster


        @madamme
        said:

        I understand from googling that the puppy resume should be as complete as possible including facts, breed, temperament, references (vet, neighbours, etc.), photos, etc …

        So, this must be common scenario so I’m wondering how others have applied for a (future/new/yet-to-be-born) puppy with their strata.

        Google will not tell you the requirements for your building, only your by-laws and in-house processes can do that and they vary from scheme to scheme (nowhere more than in the issue of pets).  Maybe your scheme has a form, maybe not.  There is only one way to find out.

        Assuming your scheme subscribes to a “common scenario” is a huge error – it only means you could be trying to jump through hoops that don’t even exist.

        Check your by-laws and ask your strata committee or strata manager what the deal is.

        However, if you are trying to slip this under the radar and present the committee with a fait accompli, no amount of compliance with rules that have never been adopted by your building will help.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #25682

        Thanks. I didn’t think my question was that complex neither did I think Google would tell everything, hence I’m garnering wider advice.

        The puppy does not exist yet and that’s the last thing we want to do, getting one only to have it evicted etc. We are responsible adults, not happy-puppy gifters priding ourselves over the animals.

        My strata has no recommendation on the process. There is no precedence of any pet application in the building so there’s no point of reference or a defined process.

        There is no bylaw pertaining to pets or pet application process other than the standard clause of pets are subject to application.

        All I’ve been advised by strata is to lodge a formal application which is what I intend to do, and a thorough and compelling one to aid in the decision. as mentioned, it will all be a case of …”it will be xx”.

        Anybody? How did you apply for permission to your strata for your new (unborn) puppy before you bought the puppy? What sort of information did you include in your application for completeness? Thanks.

        #25683
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster

          @madamme said:
          Thanks. I didn’t think my question was that complex neither did I think Google would tell everything, hence I’m garnering wider advice.

          I don’t recall anyone saying your question was complicated – but then neither is “how long is a piece of string?”

          You provided in an earlier post a long list of things you found on Google.  If you feel the need to tick all those boxes, then go right ahead. It can’t do any harm.

          I would think an equally compelling argument might be to source material from a variety of sources (yes, Google) that shows your choice of dog breed is particularly well-suited to apartment living (like the webpage here).

          Actually, labradors don’t make the “best” list but they do make a “worst dog for apartments” list, albeit because they require a lot of exercise.  Having said that, some dogs, like chihuahuas and Yorkies make both lists because they are small but yappy. 

          It is never as obvious as it seems. The size of the dog is the least of the issues. Small territorial dogs can be a nightmare for neighbours as they yap at any sound.  Large dogs like Great Danes are perfect because they rarely bark and require little exercise. I love labradors and Border collies but I’m not sure I would bring either into an apartment block.

          Probably your behaviour is as significant to your neighbours as your dog’s.  If you are not planning to leave the dog alone all day and if you won’t be leaving it on the balcony while you are out, and are planning to use a dog walker when you aren’t there, these will all figure at least as prominently in your neighbours’ minds as the breed.

          And finally, at the risk of repeating myself, the situation in your specific block is more significant than what has happened in a thousand others.  Every strata scheme is a unique mixture of individuals with their own hobby horses and pet hates (one of which may be that they actually hate pets).

          Elsewhere on this forum an owner who wants a dog is dealing with a neighbour who claims to have a phobia. Irresistible force, meet immovable object. In fact, a quick scroll through the “pet hates …” forum will reveal various tales of success and failure.

          So forget the strata manager and talk to your neighbours or, at the very least, the strata committee members.  Find out if this has been an issue in the past and, if so, how it was dealt with.  

          Your strata committee will decide whether or not you can have a dog (at least in the first instance). It is they whom you have to convince, no one else.

            

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #25684

          Thanks. Will read pethates.

          All I was asking was advice / tips from this community what information I should provide for a thorough application for consideration by the strata whom I know I have to convince. Afterall, the dog has no history so everything is unknown or unvalidated.

          I was expecting people to share their experiences, suggestions that’s all – eg provide confidence to EC, compliance with bylaws etc. for new dog applications. Anyway.

          I’m sure everyone googles but not everyone takes it as gospel. It’s a starting point for many of us. 🙂

          #25686
          Lady Penelope
          Strataguru

            Hi Madamme

            Here is a useful brochure from the NSW Law Society that may benefit you and add to JimmyT’s helpful information:

            https://www.lawsociety.com.au/cs/groups/public/documents/internetyounglawyers/027213.pdf

            #25844
            annag26791
            Flatchatter

              @madamme said:
              Thanks. Will read pethates.

              All I was asking was advice / tips from this community what information I should provide for a thorough application for consideration by the strata whom I know I have to convince. Afterall, the dog has no history so everything is unknown or unvalidated.

              I was expecting people to share their experiences, suggestions that’s all – eg provide confidence to EC, compliance with bylaws etc. for new dog applications. Anyway.

              I’m sure everyone googles but not everyone takes it as gospel. It’s a starting point for many of us. 🙂  

              We went through a very similar situation with our apartment building, we applied for a puppy and it is difficult when you are unable to provide a character reference – our application got denied at first, however, we took the EC to mediation and ultimately got approval.

              My advice to you is this –

              You need to sell yourself and your partner as responsible pet owners – the reality is, if someone doesn’t like dogs, it’s going to be hard to sell them on the dog itself, but if you are able to demonstrate to the EC that you are a responsible pet owner and are willing to negotiate on terms and do what it takes to make this work then that can be even more powerful than the application for the dog itself.

              Examples of compromises include the below:

              – no dogs on common property

              – disposing of dog-waste off site

              – negotiating on the breed of the dog (Labrador’s don’t always make the best Apartment dogs (from experience)

              These are just a few things that we compromised on with the EC and it ultimately worked in  our favour.

              Let me know if you have any other questions!

              #26247
              Tiger
              Flatchatter

                Could someone let me know why we need application for pets in units

                 cannot seem to find out

                #26248
                Jimmy-T
                Keymaster

                  Having pets in buildings is regulated by the block’s by-laws.  By-laws can be very different for different blocks.  

                  If your by-laws say you have to apply to have a pet and what the conditions are, then that is what you have to do (to avoid being told to get rid of the pet or move out).

                  If you aren’t familiar with your own building’s by-laws then you are likely to end up in trouble over something, sooner or later.

                  The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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