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    chak
    Flatchatter

      Getting rather confused!!! I read that bathroom tiles are generally common property hence the OC responsibility for repair??

      Recently the developer rectified the crack tiles issues by re-tiling over the old tiles. It looks as good as new to most owners except a few who are OC executives. They are proposing for a special levy to completely re-do their whole 2 bathroom (per unit) with new tiles. The old tiles will have to be removed and replace with a single tile chosen by them and paid by Strata sinking fund. This and a few other minor common property defects within each unit although the developer is willing to attend and make good the defects FREE. Those few wishes to engage outside contractor to do the job but paid by the Strata sinking fund.

      Where is the ‘line’ relating to bathroom tiles and common property? Does it mean each time a owner wishes to change their bathroom tiles, the OC will foot the bill?

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      Whale
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        Firstly, let’s clarify the “line” – only the original tiles on common areas are Common Property and therefore the responsibility of the Owners Corporation; that’s the floor, any walls that adjoin other Lots, and any walls that also the outside walls of the Building.

        Secondly, any replacement of those original tiles by Owners must receive the Owners Corporation’s written consent in advance of the works being undertaken,  and it is usual for any written consent to include a statement to the effect that all future works to maintain, repair, and replace those replacement tiles is the responsibility of the Lot Owner (the current one, and all subsequent Owners).

        With regard to your Executive Committee Members’ proposal to introduce a special levy for their own benefit, that would be in conflict with the Developer’s obligations under the Defects Warranty, would also deny them their legal right to be given the first opportunity to undertake corrective works, and likely void their responsibility for any other related works in future. Furthermore, that special levy would require the agreement of a majority of Owners at a General Meeting; surely you could muster enough support to knock that on the head!

        #16384
        chak
        Flatchatter
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          Thanks Whale.

          Does it mean only the original tiles on the walls adjoining other Lots in the bathroom are considered CP? Original tiles on dividing walls within the unit are not CP?

          What happened if the Developer re-tiled over the original tiles instead of removing the old tiles? 

          #16386
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster


            @chak
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            Does it mean only the original tiles on the walls adjoining other Lots in the bathroom are considered CP? Original tiles on dividing walls within the unit are not CP?

            What happened if the Developer re-tiled over the original tiles instead of removing the old tiles? 

            Only the tiles on common property walls are generally considered common property.

            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
            #16391
            FlatChatFan
            Flatchatter

              @chak said:
               

              Recently the developer rectified the crack tiles issues by re-tiling over the old tiles.

              Where is the ‘line’ relating to bathroom tiles and common property? Does it mean each time a owner wishes to change their bathroom tiles, the OC will foot the bill?

              Hi Chak

               

              Take the advice given in other posts and get the Developer to completely take up the cracked/broken tiles at their cost.  It should not be the OC who pays for the developer’s bad work. 

              The subfloor, under the tiles could be uneven and need to be levelled first.

              I learned after I had purchased my villa that the previous owners had re-tiled the bathroom, when I was investigating damp.

              In the shower recess, not all the old hexagonal tiles had been taken up.  It looked ok, but meant the square tiles on top cracked, water got into the subfloor, and while as a short term solution I have had it sealed, I really need to replace  the sub-floor beams when eventually the bathroom is stripped out and replaced.

              I believe this will be my cost and am prepared to pay.

              #16416
              rthorburn
              Flatchatter

                Hi chak,

                My thoughts on the issues raised:

                Tiling over existing tiles

                This is an acceptable practise for repairing or renewing tiles in existing buildings providing the base tiles are sound and can support the new, the owners are happy to accept the visual result (it will add another approx 10mm layer thickness to the wall and show a thicker edge if visible) and the edges and joints with other elements are finished neatly. It is not regarded as “bad work” in the industry if it is done properly.

                This practice has the main advantage of minimising the extremely messy and dusty demolition phase that you have to endure if you are removing the old tiles.  It is also much cheaper due to the cost of disposal of old tile rubble and protecting the apartment from the mess if demolition.

                Common property line

                Agree with the others who commented and assume they included the new overlying tiles as part of the common property as they are part of the original installation.

                Approach from here?

                The approach you should take depends on the reasons for the EC wanting to redo the tiles:

                1. If the workmanship is unsatisfactory (eg untidy edge finishes, etc), it should be fixed by the builder at their cost;
                2. If they don’t like the look of the overlain finish (workmanship is fine) and builder did not get approval for this repair method, then it leans towards the builder to fix.
                3. If they don’t like the look of the overlain finish (workmanship is fine) and builder did get approval for this repair method, the builder is off the hook.  If the EC approved it, they might just have to live with it in this case;
                4. If they simply don’t like the look of the tiles they have selected and they had approved the tiles before installation, it should have nothing to do with the OC and special levies, common property or not.  They would however need OC approval to change the tiles in this case but not OC to pay.

                You should try to find out which of the above applies.  This will be highly relevant to a debate for a motion to raise a special levy

                Alos, try to avoid getting another builder involved as this will interfere with your HOW insurance.

                Regards,

                Rob T

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