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    MyAimIsTrue
    Flatchatter

      The building I live in in a suburb of Sydney , NSW , has several balconies that face West.

      In Summer it becomes very hot on those balconies in the afternoons.

      On two of those balconies there has been left permanently a cylinder of Gas connected to a small portable BBQ.

      Last Summer there was a large fire started on the roof of a building in our street as result of a Gas BBQ being lit on a very hot Summer day.

      The concern of some of us in the building I live in is that if there was even a small gas leak from one of the on-balcony cylinders whilst a person was attempting to light their BBQ , or even if only smoking a cigarette near it , then there could be an explosion large enough to cause physical damage to the nearest neighbour on their balcony from flying objects , or sufficient heat from the explosion and subsequent on-balcony fire to ignite things on the beside neighbour’s balcony also or on the balcony above.

      The Fire Safety Inspector for our building said there are no Fire Safety Regulations by our local Council about storage of a Resident’s BBQ Gas cylinder on the Residents own , or rented , property.

      Does anyone here know if there are any Regulations within Strata Law in NSW under which an Owner can be issued an Order to not store a cylinder of flammable gas in a location where it is subject to high environmental heat and where that location is very close to neighbours in the same building ?

       

      The particular gas cylinders are small enough to be carried inside the Units and stored in the bathrooms , where there is unlikely to be a fire , and if there was it would not spread inside a tiled bathroom , however we may have to obtain an enforceable Order to have the owners of the gas cylinders do that.

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    • #22440
      kiwipaul
      Flatchatter

        @MyAimIsTrue said:

        The particular gas cylinders are small enough to be carried inside the Units and stored in the bathrooms , where there is unlikely to be a fire , and if there was it would not spread inside a tiled bathroom , however we may have to obtain an enforceable Order to have the owners of the gas cylinders do that.

        Must admit I would have thought it safer to leave gas cylinders outside a building rather than inside due to the risk of gas leaks. If the cylinder leaks inside the apartment the gas buildup could cause an explosion whereas if outside the gas would escape into the atmosphere and their would be less chance of an explosion.

        #22442
        Boronia
        Flatchatter

          A properly maintained cylinder should have no problem coping with normal ambient temperatures if kept in a ventilated area, lots of cylinders can be found stored outside buildings. They should be fitted with a safety valve that will vent off surplus gas if the pressure does get too high, but again provided there is ventilation the gas will dissipate without causing a danger. If the venting gas did catch fire, it would not pose a risk to the tank itself.

          The only real risk of a tank exploding is if it gets caught in an external fire, and the heat is sufficient to weaken the structure of the tank.

          #22444
          Stevecro
          Flatchatter

            Gas cylinders are usually very safe in most environments. I have heard of gas cylinders surviving bush fires without exploding etc. There is nothing in the Strata Act about storage of gas cylinders or gas at all, but you may want to contact NSW Fire and Rescue and get some advice on any fire regulations that may apply, however I am pretty sure that there are no laws to state that gas cannot be kept on a balcony of a strata building.

            #22448
            MyAimIsTrue
            Flatchatter
            Chat-starter

              Hello to kiwipaul , Boronia , Stevecro ,

              Thankyou all for your replies – I am grateful.

              Boronia stated:

              ” A properly maintained cylinder should have no problem coping with normal ambient temperatures if kept in a ventilated area, lots of cylinders can be found stored outside buildings. They should be fitted with a safety valve that will vent off surplus gas if the pressure does get too high, but again provided there is ventilation the gas will dissipate without causing a danger.”

              – to which I reply that I can agree , but how do the other residents of the building know if the cylinder owners have “properly maintained cylinders” ?

              Some people do not have knowledge about such matters , and some people are careless, thus sometimes we do not find out till after an accident has occurred.

              I think it would may be worthwhile requiring for the annual Fire Safety Inspectors to inspect residents gas cylinders in a similar way that they currently inspect Fire Extinguishers , so that the owners can know if their cylinders are in good working condition etc …

              This is easy to say, but likely would be difficult to implement given the problems currently in NSW with the Strata Law reform proposals, so it may have to be that interested Owners Corporations pass By-Laws about having gas cylinders inspected.

              #22449
              Whale
              Flatchatter

                There is already a requirement (in NSW) for all refillable LPG cylinders to be tested before sale, at 10 year intervals thereafter, and for the date when the most recent test was undertaken to be engraved on the cylinder.

                If the date shown on any cylinder is older than 10 years, then it cannot be refilled; only exchanged or replaced with/by a newer one.

                I’m inclined to the view that 10 years between testing operations is a little long, but then minds greater than mine have decreed that interval as adequate.

                As all of the above is legislated via the NSW Gas Supply (Consumer Safety) Regulation (2012) there’s nothing to be gained by an Owners Corporation (O/C) attempting to impose further or different requirements upon its Residents by way of the suggested Special By-Law, because as a “superior law” all provisions of the legislation (above) would take precedence and thereby nullify any initiatives by an O/C.

                #22461
                MyAimIsTrue
                Flatchatter
                Chat-starter

                  Thankyou Whale, for explaining the 10 year requirements for LPG cylinders in NSW.

                  I could not find the particular details in the Legislation in the Link you posted  however I may not have recognized which heading there-in LPG is included as I found only AutoGas for refillable cylinders.

                  Regardless of what I may have missed, if the refiller of an LPG cylinder will not refill the cylinder after a 10 years’ date expiry , and will not refill a cylinder if no Date engraved on the cylinder , then we may not have a problem.

                  For this issue I agree with you that there would be no likely benefit to an OC trying to impose a By-Law more restrictive than the relevant NSW Gov. legislation.

                  On your “minds greater than mine” , I will take it that you have a sense of humour, as we both know that there are more than enough incidents of decrees being made by Governments and some less well educated or insufficiently advised Public Servants that are not in accord with a sufficient state of greatness of mind. 

                  #22464
                  Whale
                  Flatchatter

                    MAIT – some regulars here mightn’t agree that I have a sense of humour, or any other kind of sense for that matter, but perhaps THIS link to the website of the NSW Department of Fair Trading will clarify the issues and put your mind at ease.

                    #22121
                    MyAimIsTrue
                    Flatchatter
                    Chat-starter

                       Hello Whale , 

                      I apologize for the delay in my replying here to thank you.

                      The LINK you posted to the particular page on the NSW Dept Fair Trading website has very much what we want known in our building , and now our Executive Committee will be using that information , so I thank you very much.

                      On your other point , I think that “some regulars” may not appreciate the subtlety in some of your comments , if they have even noticed … and it is quite obvious you have plenty of “sense” of another kind , the evidence being here in this thread and in others I have recently read which contain your advice. Of course those “regulars” may now wonder about my ability to assess such matters , but let us not worry about those “regulars” , however I do wonder why they bother being Regulars ?

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