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    Jimmy-T
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      Would-be commercial rivals to the National Broadband Network have suffered a triple blow in their efforts to preempt the roll-out of the NBN by hooking up high rise apartment blocks to high speed internet services.

      The federal government has capped the retail charges of cable internet service providers (ISPs) who were hoping to beat the NBN to high value apartment blocks. And they will be forced to separate their wholesale and retail arms, meaning they can’t lock rival service providers out of buildings that they have already cabled.

      Meanwhile strata lawyers claim they have found ways of stopping broadband cable companies who were forcing apartment blocks to accept their high-speed cables, using legislation originally intended to help spread the infrastructure for mobile phones.

      And further clouding the picture for high-speed broadband retailers is the NBN’s $11bn purchase of Telstra’s copper wire infrastructure, giving the national network another set of connection options.

      New rules and the price cap, announced last week as part of the government’s response to a review of NBN, will curb private sector moves to cherry pick high-value, high-rise inner-city apartment buildings.

      High-speed internet service providers have been using provisions in the Telecommunications Act to send out Land Access Advisory Notices (LAANs to apartment blocks’ owners corporations effectively telling them they are coming to their building whether they like it or not.

      Owners corporations representing tens of thousands of apartments have already allegedly taken the notice at face value and allowed companies like Pipe Networks, the infrastructure arm of main player TPG, to install their equipment. Once it is installed, however, there is no point in other providers, including NBN, connecting theirs because of signal interference.

      Earlier this year NBN CEO Bill Morrow told a Senate Committee said the company would be forced to roll out fibre directly to apartments to bypass fibre to the building (FTTB) equipment that companies like TPG had already installed, as connecting FTTB equipment from two different providers was “well known” to cause interference problems.

      He added that the provision of NBN services to individual apartments in buildings already cabled by other firms would then be a question of commercial viability.

      Now consumer advocates hope the “land grab” of high rise premises will be a lot less attractive under the new restrictions that come into effect on January 1.  Internet service providers will be forced to split their retail and wholesale businesses and operate them at arm’s length and they will be allowed to charge no more than $27 a month to other retail providers through their wholesale businesses.

      Meanwhile strata lawyers claim they have found a way of locking Pipe and other cable companies out of strata buildings completely.

      Tom Bacon of Strata Title Lawyers has beaten back efforts by Pipe to install their service in a number of buildings in Melbourne, ignoring objections from the blocks’ owners’ corporations (body corporate).

      “I acted for five buildings in Docklands, St Kilda and Southbank who were served with LAANs by TPG in June this year,” says Bacon. “This was part of a wider push by TPG to acquire new customers by targeting apartment buildings with large numbers of residential units.

      “This was also to beat the NBN Network from acquiring these clients as its construction of the telecommunications equipment was due to commence shortly thereafter.”

      Bacon claims NBN’s policy is that once they become aware that a rival service provider has already served a Notice (the LAAN) to install its infrastructure, then there is no point in the NBN installing its own system, so it moves on and leaves the building stuck with the single service provider.

      “All five of the buildings that I acted for objected to the LAAN being served on them by TPG,” says Bacon. “And, once the Ombudsman’s name was mentioned, the lawyers acting for PIPE Networks and TPG went quiet.

      “There is only a set time period to object to the LAAN otherwise no further objections can be made.  However, it’s not too late to challenge PIPE Networks and TPG via the Ombudsman’s office even if a building has been served with a LAAN.”

      Bacon’s opinion is echoed by leading Sydney strata lawyer Stephen Goddard, representing a high-rise in Roseberry, Sydney, which has beaten back efforts by Pipe to install their service regardless of objections from the block’s owners’ corporation (body corporate).

      Goddard claims that while high-speed cable providers are allowed to take their cable to the basement of a building, they have no right to connect to the existing wiring without owners corporation permission because, by effectively blocking other providers, an ISP was degrading the common property by turning it from multi-use infrastructure into a single-user connection.

      ISP exclusivity by default had already led NSW Fair Trading Minister Mathew Mason-Cox to issue a warning to owners corporations not to sign agreements with high speed ISPs that might force owners and tenants to cancel existing contracts and sign up with that ISP.

      “The main thing to remember is that TPG and similar ISPs are retail providers, whereas the NBN is a wholesaler,” Goddard told Domain.  “So while high speed internet may be a very good thing, this is really about having little or no say in your provider compared to having unlimited choice.”

      After Domain raised the issue with Pipe, who declined to comment, Goddard received an email from lawyer Simone Dejun, acting for Pipe and TPG, saying they were not pursuing their demand to be allowed access to the building he represents in Rothschild Avenue, Roseberry.

      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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    • #19552
      Marvin
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        @JimmyT said:

        Earlier this year NBN CEO Bill Morrow told a Senate Committee said the company would be forced to roll out fibre directly to apartments to bypass fibre to the building (FTTB) equipment that companies like TPG had already installed, as connecting FTTB equipment from two different providers was “well known” to cause interference problems.

        I looked in the Senate Committee report, but couldn’t find where Bill Morrow made the “well known to cause signal interference” comment.  I believe that particular comment came from “well-known blogger and the creator of the
        independent rollout tracker myNBN.info site, jxeeno”.

        As an owner in a small block, it’s really hard to know which way to jump – do we accept the fibre to the basement offer that’s on the table now, or wait for an undetermined amount of time for NBN?  And when NBN arrives, will they be connecting fibre to our (small) block, or do we get fibre to the node?

        #12515
        Jimmy-T
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        Chat-starter

          Regarding the interference issue, I have seen a letter from TPG/Pipe in which they concede that interference is a potential problem.  

          What you want is a high-speed provider who will let you connect to your choice of ISP ( aposition supported by the NSW Fair Trading Minister).  I think the actions of TPG in this regard have been unnecessarily aggressive and I wouldn’t be rushing to sign up with them as a result. There are other players, including Firstpath who just released the press release below.

          I am not promoting Firstpath but I think it speaks volumes that they are already compliant with the new rules and they are wholesalers and not the infrastructure arm of a retailer.

          If you can’t wait to get broadband installed, and NBN is a long way off, you should perhaps  be calling them.

          FROM FIRSTPATH:

          In response to the Carrier License Conditions (CLC) Determination made by the Minster yesterday, FirstPath is pleased to announce our “Residential End User Superfast Services” from the 1 January 2015. 

          • 20 POI’s nationally in Telco Neutral DC’s (rather than 121 NBN POI’s)
          • Lower costs and more options for resellers to connect
          • Optional FirstPath backhaul meaning only one POI per State or Territory initially required
          • Easy migration between business & residential services as end users needs change
          • Pilot sites have been very successful
          • 1 month contract duration option allowing true 4G and wireless compete
          • “Parking” of services allowed
          • Over 140 resellers already connected
          • Over 200,000 residential end users within 1 km, roadmap to be published early 2015
          • Other features still to be announced
          • As one of the few carriers that is already compliant with the CLC this new offering is designed to give more ISP’s the ability to compete and deliver residential services with the FirstPath network.

          Please click on this link to see the announcement
           

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #23865
          Cappy
          Flatchatter

            Is anyone aware of any developments in this area? An Internet Service Provider (ISP) has sent our Owners Corporation (OC) a Land Access Advisory Notice (LAAN) advising that they will be laying their cables in our building, basically whether we like it or not, give our permission etc. They say a NSW Supreme Court decision handed down in May this year allows them access and although they would rather do the work with our approval, they will be doing it anyway. Would anyone know if the interference problems mentioned above have been resolved and if we would be then bypassed when the National Broadband Network (NBN) comes our way? Would you suggest consulting a Strata Lawyer?

            We are feeling somewhat bullied by these people, telling us what we will be having in our Community and when.

            Thank you.

            #23880
            tharra
            Flatchatter

              Don’t know if you need a lawyer we haven’t thus far. Things to remember:

              1) You’re under no obligation to provide power for free.

              2) The Owner’s Corporation owns the internal building cabling so you’re under no obligation to provide access to it.

              3) If you do accept an offer supervise the install so that there will be room for other equipment in the comms rooms/cabinets down the track. i.e. make sure no one company is making a real estate grab for space & excluding others.

              As for the NBN your Owner’s Corp may contact them directly & find out when you’re due for an install & if there are any ramifications by accepting another ISPs offer. There is much more info on ISPs issuing LAANs on the whirlpool broadband forums here (search for LAAN, FTTB and/or crosstalk): https://forums.whirlpool.net.au

              If you want to read more, Schedule 3 of the Telecommunications Act is here:

              https://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997214/sch3.html

              This blog post from last year may also be of interest:

              https://blog.lindsaystrategic.com/2014/04/08/carrier-access-powers/

              #23884
              Marvin
              Flatchatter

                Our block is part way through the PIPE Networks fibre to the building install.  

                My understanding of the NSW Supreme Court decision in May 2015 is that a telco has the right to install this type of equipment, including plugging it into an existing power socket, and drawing power without first gaining permission of the owners.  The owners have the right to compensation for any power used.  

                I’m unclear as to whether any interference problems have been resolved.  

                Not sure what happens when NBN passes our block.  We have no timeframe for this.  Would they run fibre to the basement, or just connect individual residents via copper to their closest node?  Residents here aren’t prepared to wait and see how and when NBN might arrive.

                #23890
                Cappy
                Flatchatter

                  Thank you Tharra and Marvin – your comments are very helpful. The links you provided Tharra have been particularly beneficial.  

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