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    The King
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      Hi Jimmy

      I live in a high rise residential building in Sydney.

      If a common property pipe bursts causing damage to a unit can the OC be found negligent?

      How can the OC check all the pipes that are within walls/concrete etc?

      Thanks

      Luke

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    • #20497
      Whale
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        Luke – as always, it depends.

        If the pipe was within or on Common Property but it served only your Lot, then its repair and the rectification of any damage caused by its failure are both your responsibility, with the location of the problem section of pipework and the rectification of any damage to the Lot being claimable by you on your contents insurance.

        However if the pipe served multiple Lots then its repair and the rectification of any damage that may be caused during that (repair) activity, but not by the burst pipe itself, are both the responsibility of the Owners Corporation (O/C). Similarly your Plan’s building insurance would, if your O/C chooses to claim, cover the costs of locating the problem section of pipework and the rectification of any damage that the burst pipe caused to Common Property.

        As for the O/C checking the integrity of its pipework, whilst that can be done the precise identification weak / leakage points is marginal, and is in my opinion beyond what could reasonably be expected and above what’s required of an O/C under Sect 62 of the NSW Strata Schemes Management Act (1996).  

        #20498
        kiwipaul
        Flatchatter

          @Whale said:
          Luke – as always, it depends.

          If the pipe was within or on Common Property but it served only your Lot, then its repair and the rectification of any damage caused by its failure are both your responsibility, with the location of the problem section of pipework and the rectification of any damage to the Lot being claimable by you on your contents insurance.
           

          I’m sorry Whale but I disagree, if the pipe failure occurs in common OR lot property (within a wall and not a pipe from a wall outlet to an appliance) the cost of the repair would be covered by the Strata building insurance. The strata building insurance covers the whole building (not just the common property).

          Any damage to your contents would be claimable on your contents insurance (and would not be the OC responsibility). The contents insurance will never cover the repair of structural items (but it will cover the damage caused by structural failure to contents)

          OP why are you trying to blame the OC for what is in effect an accident and is why we have insurance. The exception to this would be if you reported a small leak and the EC did nothing and then the pipe burst causing serious damage, is this why you are trying to blame the OC.

           

          #20499
          DaveB
          Flatchatter

            I’d agree with kiwipaul.  Whether the pipe which burst was serving more than one lot is irrelevant when it comes to insurance.  Insurance cover paid by the Owners Corporation is for the buildings, and extends to more than just common property.  Apart from your pipes in the walls it covers such items as toilet suites, sinks and vanities, and kitchen cupboards.  Virtually the same as if you were insuring your own house on a separate title.  Contents insurance covers those items which you typically bring with you when moving house, and also such inclusions as carpets and curtains.  Of course when it comes to claims you are not covered for fair wear and tear or deterioration of such items.  Damage must be sustained from some unexpected event such as impact, storm damage, fire, earthquake or whatever else is in your policy documents.  Unfortunately little beasties such as termites aren’t a part of it.  If there is consequential damage to the unit owner’s (or tenants) possessions then I have some difficulty in seeing the fairness of having the OC subsidise payments to just those residents who fail to adequately insure their contents.

            #20500
            Jimmy-T
            Keymaster

              Whale got it (in)exactly right when he said “it depends”.

              Anyone who has been reading this website and/or dealing with these issues for a while will know that the theory of who is responsible for what means very little when it bumps up against the commercial reality of “how much will it cost if I try to wriggle out of paying for this?”

              Insurance companies will pay for stuff they really shouldn’t to avoid the endless hassle of dealing with people who have a half-right case and a pathological obsession with proving it.  And sometimes they will not pay for damage when the plaintiff has a rock-solid moral right but no legal basis supporting it.

              It depends …

              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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