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    Okay, this is a peculiar situation. I live in a Potts point complex that has three stand along buildings on the one site and covered by the same strata. One building was build 1916, the second was 1923 and the third, where I live, 1938 (it was interrupted by the Great Depression). No one can say for certain but it appears the owners in buildings one and two developed the third building and literally dumped all the entitlements into that building. I am on the top of the building, third floor, no lifts, no pool etc and my apartment is half the size of apartments in buildings one and two yet I pay considerably more levies. The other two buildings are also three floors high and, like me, have harbour views. For example – my apartment is 148 sm and the equivalent top floor apartment in building one is 248 sm – yet I pay approximately 16% in more levies and sinking fund. I also find my rates and water are pegged to my entitlements so I am being hit twice. I called the dept of registrations and they could not explain the difference other than the ‘dumping’ of entitlements. Ditto Fair Trading. No one seems to know the answer. Many of the owners in building three are affected and we are wondering how we should approach revising the levies. Can it be done without a great expense? Do all apartments have to be valued? What if the Body Corp members agreed to a proportional change (it wouldn’t be a major impact on most) – how does one approach such a thing… and is it worth it? I should say our levies are ridiculously high – mine are now $5300 a quarter and rising 12% annually. Help!

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  • #15853
    Jimmy-T
    Keymaster

      I don’t know about avoiding WW3 – some owners are going to suffer financially while others benefit – but there is certainly a mechanism in  place just for circumstances as yours.

      The easiest way to do it is through unanimous agreement by all lot owners … meanwhile, back in the real world, you can apply to the CTTT for a re-allocation of UEs on the basis that they were not fairly distributed when the strata was set up.  You will require a valuation of each of the lots although there is a certain amount of discretion allowed the CTTT adjudicator if, for instance, some owners refuse to allow their apartments to be valued (for obvious reasons).

      What you need to do is get together with other owners who are being overcharged and talk to a strata lawyer and/or a valuer about the next step.  You may even be able to do this as an owners corporation – after all, you have all the voting power.

      I’m not sure about the clauses allowing you recover overpayents as a debt – I think that is only when the strata plan is less than six years old and the developer has used unfeasibly low levies to attract big money buyers.

      Even so, it sounds like it’s worth the effort and the levies losers should be grateful for the free ride they have had so far.

      This is what the strata Act says – the Tribunal referred to is the CTTT:

      183   Order for reallocation of unit entitlements

      (1) Tribunal may make order allocating unit entitlements
      The Tribunal may make an order allocating unit entitlements among the lots that are subject to a strata scheme in the manner specified in the order.

      (2) Circumstances in which order may be made
      An order may be made only if the Tribunal considers that the allocation of unit entitlements among the lots:

      (a)  was unreasonable when the strata plan was registered or when a strata plan of subdivision was registered, or

      (a1)  was unreasonable when a revised schedule of unit entitlements was lodged at the conclusion of a development scheme, or

      (b)  became unreasonable because of a change in the permitted land use, being a change (for example, because of a rezoning) in the ways in which the whole or any part of the parcel could lawfully be used, whether with or without development consent.

      (3) Matters to be taken into consideration
      In making a determination under this section, the Tribunal is to have regard to the respective values of the lots and (if a strata development contract is in force in relation to the strata scheme) to such other matters as the Tribunal considers relevant.

      (4) Application to be accompanied by valuation
      An application for an order must be accompanied by a certificate specifying the valuation, at the relevant time of registration or immediately after the change in the permitted land use, of each of the lots to which the application relates.

      (5) Qualifications of person making valuation
      The certificate must have been given by a registered valuer under the Valuers Act 2003 authorised under that Act to make such a valuation (a qualified valuer).

      (6) Ancillary orders that may be made if original valuation unsatisfactory
      The Tribunal may, if it makes an order allocating unit entitlements that were not allocated in accordance with a valuation of a qualified valuer and, in the opinion of the Tribunal, were allocated unreasonably by a developer, also order:

      (a)  the payment by the developer to the applicant for the order of the costs incurred by the applicant, including fees and expenses reasonably incurred in obtaining the valuation and the giving of evidence by a qualified valuer, and

      (b)  the payment by the developer to any or all of the following people of such amounts as may be assessed by the Tribunal to represent any overpayments (due to the unreasonable allocation) for which liability arose not earlier than 6 years before the date of the order:

      the lessor of a leasehold strata scheme

      the owners corporation

      the owners of lots.

      (7) Recovery of amounts awarded
      An amount ordered to be paid under this section may be recovered as a debt.

      (8) Who may make application?
      An application for an order under this section may be made only by:

      (a)  an owner of a lot (whether or not a development lot) within the parcel, or

      (b)  the owners corporation, or

      (c)  the lessor of a leasehold strata scheme, or

      (d)  the local council, or by any other public authority or statutory body representing the Crown, being an authority or body that is empowered to impose a rate, tax or other charge by reference to a valuation of land.

      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
      #15854
      struggler
      Flatchatter

        Sorry, was that $5,300 per quarter?

        #15857
        Anonymous

          Do some home work on the Strata Lawyer you choose to ensure they have the particular expertise on this issue, same goes with the valuer. If you need somewhere to start we can give you some firms names. However get some legal advice first as one of the questions you want answered is can you get your costs back as well in seeking the order from the CTTT, if you need to go it alone. The valuer will be able to do the valuations without access to the units, it is based on size views and local market vales (resent sales etc). Hope this helps.

          Chris Mo’ane GMD Integrated Consultancy Group

          @JimmyT said:

          I don’t know about avoiding WW3 – some owners are going to suffer financially while others benefit – but there is certainly a mechanism in  place just for circumstances as yours.

          The easiest way to do it is through unanimous agreement by all lot owners … meanwhile, back in the real world, you can apply to the CTTT for a re-allocation of UEs on the basis that they were not fairly distributed when the strata was set up.  You will require a valuation of each of the lots although there is a certain amount of discretion allowed the CTTT adjudicator if, for instance, some owners refuse to allow their apartments to be valued (for obvious reasons).

          What you need to do is get together with other owners who are being overcharged and talk to a strata lawyer and/or a valuer about the next step.  You may even be able to do this as an owners corporation – after all, you have all the voting power.

          I’m not sure about the clauses allowing you recover overpayents as a debt – I think that is only when the strata plan is less than six years old and the developer has used unfeasibly low levies to attract big money buyers.

          Even so, it sounds like it’s worth the effort and the levies losers should be grateful for the free ride they have had so far.

          This is what the strata Act says – the Tribunal referred to is the CTTT:

          183   Order for reallocation of unit entitlements

          (1) Tribunal may make order allocating unit entitlements
          The Tribunal may make an order allocating unit entitlements among the lots that are subject to a strata scheme in the manner specified in the order.

          (2) Circumstances in which order may be made
          An order may be made only if the Tribunal considers that the allocation of unit entitlements among the lots:

          (a)  was unreasonable when the strata plan was registered or when a strata plan of subdivision was registered, or

          (a1)  was unreasonable when a revised schedule of unit entitlements was lodged at the conclusion of a development scheme, or

          (b)  became unreasonable because of a change in the permitted land use, being a change (for example, because of a rezoning) in the ways in which the whole or any part of the parcel could lawfully be used, whether with or without development consent.

          (3) Matters to be taken into consideration
          In making a determination under this section, the Tribunal is to have regard to the respective values of the lots and (if a strata development contract is in force in relation to the strata scheme) to such other matters as the Tribunal considers relevant.

          (4) Application to be accompanied by valuation
          An application for an order must be accompanied by a certificate specifying the valuation, at the relevant time of registration or immediately after the change in the permitted land use, of each of the lots to which the application relates.

          (5) Qualifications of person making valuation
          The certificate must have been given by a registered valuer under the Valuers Act 2003 authorised under that Act to make such a valuation (a qualified valuer).

          (6) Ancillary orders that may be made if original valuation unsatisfactory
          The Tribunal may, if it makes an order allocating unit entitlements that were not allocated in accordance with a valuation of a qualified valuer and, in the opinion of the Tribunal, were allocated unreasonably by a developer, also order:

          (a)  the payment by the developer to the applicant for the order of the costs incurred by the applicant, including fees and expenses reasonably incurred in obtaining the valuation and the giving of evidence by a qualified valuer, and

          (b)  the payment by the developer to any or all of the following people of such amounts as may be assessed by the Tribunal to represent any overpayments (due to the unreasonable allocation) for which liability arose not earlier than 6 years before the date of the order:

          the lessor of a leasehold strata scheme

          the owners corporation

          the owners of lots.

          (7) Recovery of amounts awarded
          An amount ordered to be paid under this section may be recovered as a debt.

          (8) Who may make application?
          An application for an order under this section may be made only by:

          (a)  an owner of a lot (whether or not a development lot) within the parcel, or

          (b)  the owners corporation, or

          (c)  the lessor of a leasehold strata scheme, or

          (d)  the local council, or by any other public authority or statutory body representing the Crown, being an authority or body that is empowered to impose a rate, tax or other charge by reference to a valuation of land.

          #15860

          @struggler said:
          Sorry, was that $5,300 per quarter?

          yes it bloody well is! and no lifts – no pools. crazy

          #15861

          Jimmy – great advice.

           

          I suspect we would get the majority of the Body Corporate to agree to do it ourselves. never easy but we have a harmonious community.

          #15866
          struggler
          Flatchatter

            I thought that amount might have been a typo. That is outrageously high levies for a complex without any of the fancy extras. That is the highest levies I have heard of – and that includes those i know who live in the high rise with pools, lifts, gyms, concierge and those who have grounds and country club facilities!

            Good on you bodgie for taking this on.

            #15920
            Jimmy-T
            Keymaster

              Something that’s just occurred to me – is this complex really strata or is it Company Title?  If it’s the latter, then a whole different set of rules pertain.  If it’s strata, you will also need to look at when the strata plan was registered, by whom and under what basis.  These buildings are all pre-1940.  Strata law didn’t exist before 1962 (although many Company Title buildings have changed to strata since then).

              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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