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    bubbles
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      I live on the ground floor of a multi level building in Sydney, directly below me is 8 levels of basement car parking.

      There is a vehicle that parks directly below my unit that has an extreme exhaust, and fills my unit with exhaust smells which also irritates my eyes.

      Is it a breach of anything like some sort of strata law or building code for exhaust gasses to enter a unit from the car parking area? It is coming through both an intake vent for the air conditioning unit and seemingly through the wall in another spot.

      The vehicle owner is not a resident, and even though this breaches the security by laws the EC doesn’t seem interested in doing anything about this, and even if they did i have to assume other exhaust gasses are entering my unit.

      I plan to ask the EC to do something about this, but i expect they will just ignore me, so i’d like to be armed with the knowledge of what my legal options are before i approach them.

      Any advice would be much appreciated.

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    • #21595
      Whale
      Flatchatter

        bubbles – a couple of questions first:

        1) Are you an Owner?

        2) Is the vehicle parked on the Common Property of the building, such as in the carpark, in a visitors’ parking space, or a driveway?

        3) If the owner of the car is not a resident, then who are they?

        #21597
        DaveB
        Flatchatter

          Hello bubbles

          If the “extreme exhaust” from the vehicle you refer to is emission of excessive amounts of smoke, you can report the matter to the EPA here:

          https://www.epa.nsw.gov.au/esdsmoky/

          If I were in your shoes I’d also be discussing the positioning of the air conditioner intake and any building requirements for sealing your unit against car park exhaust fumes with the local council, they also may require some sort of effective extraction equipment to ventilate that area in the event of limited natural air circulation, particularly where basement areas are involved.

          Dave Smile

          #21600
          bubbles
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            In answer to the questions:

            I am an owner.

            The vehicle is in a car space, i assume he is renting it from the owner/tenant of the unit whose space it is.

            The exhaust is not smoky, but extremely loud and stinky, it is a large american style pickup truck, and i’m assuming the strong smell is because it has no catalytic converter, which would also explain why it irritates my eyes. It literally fills my entire unit with a strong exhaust smell.

            The basement levels do have air extraction units which operate for several hours a day to clear out exhaust gasses, but they would have no impact on this.

            He has a security tag to get in and out of the building, which is a breach of the building by-laws, and i have asked the EC to do something about this but gotten nowhere. One of my issues is though that even if they do something about that, i have to assume i am getting exhaust from other cars, i just don’t notice it because they have better exhausts, but it still must not be great for my health. I was hoping that there would be some sort of building code that would prohibit this, it seems rather bad that exhaust would come into a unit through the walls and aircon outlets, especially to this extent, it is almost immediate after he parks his truck.

            #21608
            Whale
            Flatchatter

              Bubbles – some advice recently provided by “tharra” in another post suggested that a Local Environment Plan (LEP) of The City of Sydney Council restricted the use of carspaces in residential buildings such as yours.

              The following was posted as being a reflection of that LEP in the Development Approval for “tharra’s” Strata Plan:

              “The on-site car parking spaces, exclusive of designated visitor car parking spaces, are not to be used by those other than an occupant of or person residing in the subject building and any tenant or registered proprietor of the development site or part thereof shall not enter into an agreement to lease, licence, or transfer ownership of such car parking spaces to those other than an occupant or resident of the subject building.”

              It may be worth your while to check with The City of Sydney Council or alternatively provide this extract (above) to your Executive Committee and see what’s forthcoming so far as the possibly illegal use of a carspace by the offending vehicle is concerned.

              On the broader issue of carpark ventilation, I had a similar problem and took some initial measurements with THIS hired gas detector to, in the case of our Plan and at a cost of $144, prove to a resident that there was no problem with CO emissions – where an 8 hour average reading of <70ppm is acceptable from a workplace perspective; but check with NSW Health regarding levels for a residence of your type.

              #21621
              bubbles
              Flatchatter
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                Thanks Whale, I’ll look into those things and see if I can get somewhere.

                #21699
                bubbles
                Flatchatter
                Chat-starter

                  I’m hoping someone can advise me on what my best course of action is now there has been a disturbing development this evening, which i will describe below.
                  First i’ll give an update, sorry for the length but i want to provide all the details, as i seem to be being lied to by those involved.

                  My original complaint to the EC was on 15th April, i have received no response.
                  The building has a part time building manager who i spoke to on Monday this week, i explained the exhaust problem and asked that the building be fixed, he said he would look into it and get back to me.
                  Having not heard back from him, which is standard procedure, i spoke to him again this morning. He asked if there had been any change, as he said he had spoken to the vehicle owner and asked him to not rev his engine and to get in and out as quickly as possible. This seemed strange to me, as they only use the vehicle of an evening, when the building manager is not around, so i don’t know how he could have spoken to them as he would have no idea who they are. As there has been no change, he said he would take it further and speak to the garage owner.
                  Also in the meantime i had made a complaint about the vehicle noise with the EPA.
                  This evening there was a loud banging on my door. This is unusual as it is a secure building, and visitors have to use the intercom.
                  I answered the door and there was a couple who asked me if i was having problems with the exhaust of the vehicle in question getting in my unit. The couple were the vehicle owners, who then had a go at me asking if i had complained to the EPA as they said they had received a fine. I said i had spoken to the building manager, and asked if they had been contacted about the problem, and they said they had not.
                  Now i don’t know who is telling the truth, although a few things don’t make sense here. Firstly the EPA issues a notice to problem vehicles after complaints, and only issues fines if people don’t comply or have a history of problems, so this would suggest they have had other problems with the EPA. Secondly, my complaint to the EPA was about noise, so how did they know about the smell problem, although perhaps they are already aware of the smell due to their illegal exhaust.
                  We argued for a bit about the problem, then I’d had enough and told them it was completely inappropriate for them to come into a secure building and harass me, and that they needed to leave. They argued for a bit more then left.
                  I’m quite disturbed that they are now coming to my home and harassing me. They have a security pass to the building, i have no idea what they will do next.
                  I considered calling the police to make a complaint so there would be something official, but although they spoke to me in an aggressive manner, they never actually threatened me.
                  So what can i do? I will speak to the building manager again on Tuesday, and will see if there is a way i can speak to someone on the EC, but can i take direct action against the unit owner, seeing as the EC seems unwilling to do anything? Is there something better i can do? I don’t want these people to have access to my home.
                  Listed below are 2 of the by-laws that i believe the unit owner is in breach of:
                  Security keys
                  An owner or occupier of a lot in posession of a security key must not duplicate or permit the security key to be duplicated and must take all reasonable steps to ensure that the security key is not lost or handed to any person other than another owner or occupier and is not disposed of otherwise than by returning it to the owner or Owners Corporation.
                  Behaviour of invitees
                  An owner or occupier of a lot must take all reasonable steps to ensure that invitees of the owner or occupier do not behave in a manner likely to interfere with the peaceful enjoyment of the owhner or occupier of another lot or any person lawfully using common property.

                  #21700
                  Whale
                  Flatchatter

                    bubbles – the first thing that I would do, if only to satisfy your curiosity, is to contact the EPA and try to ascertain what actions if any they took subsequent to your complaint.

                    Then, as the offending vehicle shouldn’t be on the Common Property irrespective of its non-compliance with air pollution laws, and as whoever it is that has given a security card to that vehicle’s Owners/s is in breach of your Plan’s Special By-Law in circumstances where neither your Executive Committee (E/C) nor your Building Manager (B/M) is prepared to do anything about that, you should immediately write to your E/C Secretary (cc your Strata Manager) advising that unless you receive a written response to your past complaints within say 7 days, then as an initial step you’ll be lodging an Application for Mediation of those complaints against the Owners Corporation with the NSW Office of Fair Trading.

                    Your Application shouldn’t be about the exhaust smoke, but be about your Owners Corporation (incl. the E/C as its representative) not acting to rectify breaches of your Plan’s Special By-Law regarding security keys, and the Model By-Laws 1 & 2 relating to noise (the exhaust) and to vehicles parked on Common Property.

                    Just ensure that you have properly documented everything, including the details of your initial complaints to the E/C and to the B/M and about the visitors to your Unit.

                    As a matter of interest, did you follow-up with Council regarding possible breaches of the Conditions of your Plan’s Development Consent?

                    #21778
                    bubbles
                    Flatchatter
                    Chat-starter

                      I have another question relating to this.

                      I spoke to the building manager, and he suddenly seemed more interested in doing something when i mentioned fair trading. He said he would speak to the strata manager and get a notice issued to the unit owner. That has supposedly happened, and whilst i need to find out what the notice was about, i suspect it was for noise, which really doesn’t help me as my main issue is the smell. The vehicle owner has made it quieter, although this may have been due to the EPA.

                      I think the best way of me getting anything to happen now is to ask that they make repairs to the building to stop the smell from the basement car park from coming through to my unit.

                      My question is who should i send this letter to?

                      We have an Executive Committee, a building manager for half the week from a building management company, and strata managers (name deleted – Whale), who should i be dealing with?

                      Should i be sending it to the EC secretary and sending a copy to the strata manager, and nothing to the building manager?

                      #21779
                      Whale
                      Flatchatter

                        bubbles – I would hope that, perhaps unlike yourself, your Strata Manager has not been distracted by or confused the issues of the one vehicle’s noise or of its smelly exhaust, and has instead focused on the fact that an Owner has breached your Plan’s Special By-Law by giving one of their security access tags to a non-resident, and has therefore issued them with a Notice to Comply with that Special By-Law; because that’s the real issue!

                        #21783
                        scotlandx
                        Strataguru

                          bubbles – in respect of your question as to who you send the letter to, you address it to the Owners Corporation and send it to the strata manager.  If you like, you can also send a copy to the Secretary.

                          #21786
                          bubbles
                          Flatchatter
                          Chat-starter

                            Thanks scotlandx.

                            Whale, i agree, and i’m hoping to catch the building manager tomorrow to find out what the notice was issued for, although i don’t think i always get an entirely truthful answer, just what’s most convenient.

                            I don’t even know why they seem so reluctant to do something about the security key, a few years back after some people were looking to rent out their garages, they sent a notice out to everyone saying that if they rented out garages to anyone who wasn’t a resident of the building they couldn’t give them a security key.

                            My reason for pursuing the issue with the building is that it seems action only happens when they are facing a bigger problem if they don’t. By bringing up the bigger problem of the building i think they will suddenly fix the issue of the person having a security key. They have a bit of a history of not taking action, another owner took them to court (and won) to get repairs done. I’d hoped things had changed since then with some new people on the EC.

                            #22122
                            bubbles
                            Flatchatter
                            Chat-starter

                              I’m still having issues here and am chasing up various things, but have one hopefully simple question.

                              Disregarding all other issues about whether certain vehicles should be in the parking lot or not, can i insist that something be done to stop smelly exhaust coming from a basement parking lot under my unit from entering my unit?

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