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    PeterS
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      Question: Our strata scheme has a caretaker who also owns the unit in which the caretaker resides. The caretaker (and his partner who is co-caretaker) are contracted to the OC and the unit in which they reside is dedicated to the position of caretaker. Under the changes just announced to strata law, can one of these co-caretakers still be appointed to the executive committee of the scheme. At present the caretaker is on the executive committee, with appalling results, which I will not go into here. It has been my position for years that there is a conflict of interest in this situation, and would appreciate some advice in the light of the strata legislation changes.

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      I am in a similar situation. In our case, the Building Manager owns some apartments in the complex and has a position on the Executive Committee on that basis. I now wonder about his/her position with regards to the new strata laws that will be coming into effect next year. Surely as an owner he/she has a right to be on the committee, and I see problems looming in terms of deciding what topic he/she may or may not vote on with respect to financial interest.

      The problem becomes more complicated by the fact that the caretaker is an employee of the Building Manager, lives in a apartment owned by the Building Manager, and is on the Executive Committee as a representative of the Building Manager (who is also an owner). The caretaker clearly sees their intersts lying with the Builidng Manager, not with the Owners Corporation who has a contract with the Building Manager for the provision of caretaking services. I consider this to be an entirely unsatisfactory situation.

      I won’t go on as the situation becomes even more complex and, in my view, dubious. Most owners are absentee investors and are completely unaware of the true state of affairs. I have felt for a long time time that there are diverse conflicts of interest, and I hope that the new strata laws will help put a stop to situations such as this arising.

       

       

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      @Mrs Kravitz said:
      I am in a similar situation. In our case, the Building Manager owns some apartments in the complex and has a position on the Executive Committee on that basis. I now wonder about his/her position with regards to the new strata laws that will be coming into effect next year. Surely as an owner he/she has a right to be on the committee, and I see problems looming in terms of deciding what topic he/she may or may not vote on with respect to financial interest.

      The problem becomes more complicated by the fact that the caretaker is an employee of the Building Manager, lives in a apartment owned by the Building Manager, and is on the Executive Committee as a representative of the Building Manager (who is also an owner). The caretaker clearly sees their intersts lying with the Builidng Manager, not with the Owners Corporation who has a contract with the Building Manager for the provision of caretaking services. I consider this to be an entirely unsatisfactory situation.

      I won’t go on as the situation becomes even more complex and, in my view, dubious. Most owners are absentee investors and are completely unaware of the true state of affairs. I have felt for a long time time that there are diverse conflicts of interest, and I hope that the new strata laws will help put a stop to situations such as this arising.

       

      Afterthought: I think the best solution would be if the law made it impossible for an owner to double up as a caretaker, building manager, or managing agent.

      #20058
      John T
      Flatchatter

        We have a situation where the building manager is also an owner and is on the executive committee. The problem is, he is the only one with any working knowledge of building matters or strata matters (our managing agent is useless, and has given us bad/negligent advice). He does almost all the work on the executive committee, and always looks for consensus rather than take unilateral action. If the new law prevents him from being one or the other, we will be disadvantaged by either having to get another building manager (at higher cost) or not having enough knowledge and experience on the executive committee. There must be some way around this. I appreciate that in many cases our situation would result in abuses, but this does not apply to us, and things have been working smoothly for a number of years. A blanket ban would disadvantage us.

        #20060

        We have rule on one of our ECs where the EC must leave the room for any discussion or vote that involves that EC member, especially where a conflict of interest exists.  That makes it more comfortable for people to speak up and also ensures fairness of process.  It also allows us to show proper decision making. The conflict of interest is noted and also that the person left the room and did not participate in the discussion or vote.  Better for all concerned.

        #20063

        non-owners with a financial interest in a scheme, including managing agents, letting agents and building managers, will not be able to become committee members. – See more at: http://www.flatchat.com.au/forum/another-day-in-paradise/new-strata-laws-a-preview/#p10338

        This quote is from Jimmy’s summary of legislation changes.

        It sounds to me that this will not stop caretakers/building managers who are owners being on the committee so in John T’s situation you would not be disadvantaged. I would add that a good building manager should not need to be on the EC to give good advice. In fact you should expect them to attend your meetings regardless to assist you in making good decisions.

        The other important changes mooted also means that if an owner caretaker is on the committee they must remove themselves from voting on motions that would give them a financial benefit.

        A win win in my book.

        #20064
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster

          It sounds to me that this will not stop caretakers/building managers who are owners being on the committee so in John T’s situation you would not be disadvantaged. I would add that a good building manager should not need to be on the EC to give good advice. In fact you should expect them to attend your meetings regardless to assist you in making good decisions.

          Although we need to wait until we see the nitty-gritty of the legislation, I’m not sure that caretaker-owners and their ilk won’t be banned.  The affected person can still exercise their democratic rights via general meetings.  

          In any case, there are plenty of ECs where building managers, caretakers and strata managers attend, offer advice and participate in discussions without having a vote. That would be the ideal model for me.

          Don’t forget we are also about to have non-voting tenants on committees so those tables are starting to get a bit cramped.

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #20066
          kiwipaul
          Flatchatter

            In QLD we already have the situation where SM, caretakers, Building managers cannot be on the committee or control proxies but the SM still presides over the AGM (with no voting powers) and manages the spending (budget approved at AGM and non budget items voted when they occur by EC or OC) throughout the year and it works.

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