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    Hi there,

    I am new to the strata world and need some advice. We are in the middle of renovating our bathroom and have received approval (with great difficulty) from the OC through an EC meeting (of which I am a member).

    We would also like to have our balcony re-tiled while our tiler is here to allow us better use of our balcony. We asked the Strata Manager to include this in our original approved application however have been advised that it was rejected by the Chairperson as it does not comply with the current by-laws. It has also been rejected as the Chairperson feels it will impact on the on the external appearance of the building (our balconies are enclosed brick balconies and the floor is not visible to any general public).

    The Chairperson (who has held this role on our EC for the past 25 or so years) has made this decision without consulting the rest of the EC and has been making these types of decisions on his own on other matters. Our Strata Manager seems to take these unilateral decisions from him which from I understand she shouldn’t be doing and should only be taking instruction from any decisions the EC make from formal documented minutes.

    Further, we know of at least one other lot in our plan that have retiled their balcony (without approval) a few years ago and this Chairperson and the EC at the time tried to contact the owner about it but eventually let it go.

    My questions are:
    1. Is there a precedent about retiling of balconies given this lot owner has done so, and can I use this in my argument in relation to my application to retile our balcony? Also, is this a typical and simple request? Our Chairperson seems to think that this never happens and is highly unusual.

    2. I know that the balcony floor is common property; I know the Chairperson will influence other members of our EC that we will need a special by-law, which is fine, is it common practice for this special by-law to be approved in principal at an EC meeting and voted on at the next AGM or Extraordinary General Meeting?

    This Chairperson constantly responds to my emails/requests with excerpts from the Act and confuses things beyond belief. It took 8 weeks for our simple bathroom renovation application to be approved and so far 2 weeks for even an EC meeting to be called to discuss the retiling of our balcony. I am just about ripping my hair out with this guy, any tips?

    Sorry for the long post and appreciate any advice.

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  • #22224
    Stevecro
    Flatchatter

      1. There is nothing in the SSMA about precedents but you could use this if you went further to adjudication through NCAT, they may consider precedents within your scheme, I guess it wouldn’t hurt to mention it if you do make an application. You can try dispute that the OC is unreasonably refusing you permission to go ahead with the work.  Whether or not your EC or OC takes notice of precedents is neither here nor there, if they decide to take precedents into consideration they do, if not then you will have to go down the same dispute resolution avenues (mediation & adjudication). It doesn’t matter whether it’s a typical or simple request, makes no difference in the end.
      2. A special by law cannot be ‘approved’ by the EC, it has to go to a General Meeting of the OC for approval as you probably know.

      You can try call an EGM if you have enough support from other owners within your scheme, and submit a motion on the agenda to obtain permission to renovate your balcony. This decision at an EGM will overturn any previous decision made by the EC. The chair person’s role in a strata scheme is to chair meetings, they do not have any additional powers or decision making ability than any other member of the committee or the OC. Some chairpersons think they are the ‘president’, ‘king’ and almighty ruler of the OC, which is quite funny and a good laugh.

      #22239
      Whale
      Flatchatter

        unitowner1 – the tiling work involved would be regarded as a change to the Common Property (floor) of the balcony, and as such and in the absence of an existing Special By-Law covering the conditions under which that type of work may be undertaken by Owners, consent cannot be granted by your Executive Committee (E/C) or unilaterally by its Chairman.

        The correct procedure is for the Owners Corporation (O/C) to consider the past works by other Owner/s retrospectively and together with yours at a General Meeting, where a special resolution would needed to grant consent, and to set out the conditions applicable to future works such as but not limited to work times, noise, disposal of residues, waterproofing, and contractors’ licenses and liability insurance.

        Then, and only if the O/C wishes with Owners’ consent to make them individually responsible for the on-going maintenance of their tiles, the wording of a Special By-Law (SBL) would need to be decided upon in the same way and be then properly Registered on the Title for the Strata Plan.

        It’s entirely appropriate for that SBL to be drafted by the E/C and be then put to a General Meeting as you suggest, and in the circumstances it would be appropriate in my opinion for the O/C to cover the costs of that SBL as it would cover existing works and those which may be proposed in future, and enable those future consents to be granted by the E/C in accordance with its conditions (i.e. no General Meeting necessary).

        #22220
        kiwipaul
        Flatchatter

          You are in an impossible situation with an unreasonable chairperson. I agree with everything Whales says and if your chairperson was reasonable that is the way to go.

          Doing it legally you could end up paying for an EC meeting, EGM, cost of a SBL only to have the SBL rejected at the EGM, all of which could take 12 months. You would then be faced with going to conciliation and adjudication with a 50-50 chance of winning.

          My solution would be to get the job done and keep quite about it (you say it’s not visible from outside the unit) and nobody is any the wiser. If they found out about it they would have to take you to conciliation and adjudication.

          You could then advise that others have been allowed to do alterations without approval and the chairperson is acting without the approval of the EC or OC for some of his decisions.

          Ask to be shown the motion (with votes) for some of the chairperson decisions by the EC or OC. These are required to be held by the SM for 5 years.

          #22242
          Whale
          Flatchatter

            KWP – I do understand your point; it’s one you regularly make.

            However even though its unitowner1 ‘s Owners Corporation (O/C) who should be meeting all the costs of both rectifying past errors in the management of its Strata Plan and properly considering new renovation works such as those proposed, I guess that any decision about whether to handle such things in the right (legally correct) way or to do them on the sly is a conundrum that individual Owners and indeed O/C’s need to resolve.

            At this point in time at least, I remain of the opinion that irrespective of the scale of the individual matters under consideration it’s preferable to manage those in a legally compliant way in the first place, and to thereby avoid future problems, resultant conflicts, and perhaps most of all the foibles of the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal (NCAT) where if things haven’t gone totally pear-shaped they then will!

            #22245
            Stevecro
            Flatchatter

              @kiwipaul said:
              You are in an impossible situation with an unreasonable chairperson. I agree with everything Whales says and if your chairperson was reasonable that is the way to go.

              Doing it legally you could end up paying for an EC meeting, EGM, cost of a SBL only to have the SBL rejected at the EGM, all of which could take 12 months. You would then be faced with going to conciliation and adjudication with a 50-50 chance of winning.

              My solution would be to get the job done and keep quite about it (you say it’s not visible from outside the unit) and nobody is any the wiser. If they found out about it they would have to take you to conciliation and adjudication.

              You could then advise that others have been allowed to do alterations without approval and the chairperson is acting without the approval of the EC or OC for some of his decisions.

              Ask to be shown the motion (with votes) for some of the chairperson decisions by the EC or OC. These are required to be held by the SM for 5 years.

              I disagree with one point here, doing the work without the permission of the OC is not the answer, and is still illegal regardless of whether other owners have carried out similar works in the past without permission. So in my view, if you did go ahead with the work quietly without approval, the OC could still claim that you have breached s65A of the SSMA 1996. 

              #22246
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                NCAT has the power to order an Owners Corp to allow work to be done.  Have a look at section 140 of the Act (below).  Note that it specifically mentions the previous behaviour of both parties, including taking into consideration whether or not the lot owner applied for permission.

                Your best bet may be to canvass other owners before they have a meeting and let them know that, while you would rather settle this amicably and with all necessary protections for the Owners Corp in place, you plan to pursue this all the way to NCAT if need be.

                Significantly, if they follow the chairman blindly, they could be up for tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees and still have to give you permission. You might also want to write to all owners and not just the EC, warning them of the unnecessary costs they might be facing.

                At the same time, be as reasonable and accommodating and ‘legal’ as possible so that any objective assessment would reveal who was at fault here. 

                By the way, as a member of the EC, you can very simply propose a motion that the chairman be removed from office (though not from the EC) and replaced by someone else.  If this guy is as autocratic as you suggest, then you won’t be the only person who is tired of his antics and all it requires is a simple vote by EC members to remove him from that role (provided you have someone else on the EC prepared to replace him).

                140   Order relating to alterations and repairs to common property and other property

                (1)  An Adjudicator may order an owners corporation to consent to work proposed to be carried out by an owner if the Adjudicator considers that the owners corporation has unreasonably refused its consent and the work relates to any of the following:

                (a)  alterations to common property directly affecting the owner’s lot,

                (b)  carrying out repairs to common property or any other property of the owners corporation directly affecting the owner’s lot.

                (2)  An Adjudicator may make an order approving of alterations or repairs already made by an owner to common property or any other property of an owners corporation directly affecting the owner’s lot if the Adjudicator considers that the owners corporation unreasonably refused its consent to the alteration or repairs.

                (3)  An order under subsection (2) is taken to be the consent of the owners corporation to the alterations or repairs concerned and may be expressed as having effect from a day specified in the order that occurred before the order was made.

                (4)  An Adjudicator may specify in an order under this section whether the owners corporation or the owner of the lot concerned has the ongoing responsibility for the repair and maintenance of any additional property arising out of an alteration or repair to common property approved under the order.

                (5)  If an order makes provision for the owner of a lot to have the ongoing responsibility for the repair and maintenance of any such additional property, the order also has effect in relation to any subsequent owner of the lot.

                (6)  In deciding whether to grant an order under subsection (2) or to provide for the order to have effect from a day that occurred before the date of the order, an Adjudicator may take into account the conduct of the parties in the proceedings, for example, if an owner did not first seek the consent of the owners corporation before carrying out the alterations or repairs.

                (7)  An application for an order under this section may be made only by a lessor of a leasehold strata scheme or an owner.

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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