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    Costa
    Flatchatter

      Further to my item about our executive committee going feral, the strata manager has just put up a notice saying the common property dryers are going to be vented into the walls, not as now, out the window into the air. Three dryers serving twelve units venting into the same cavity wall, vertically on top of each other. Seems like it might be hazardous for two reasons, build of fluff might be a fire hazard and moisture/ dampness. And this will be an expensive job. (There are actually three sets of three dryers.)

      Also they are going to replace our no parking signs which is a waste of money as the existing signs are perfectly fine. Don’t know why.

      My main beef is they haven’t discussed this, there has been no meeting, it hasn’t been heralded at all and there are no minutes. The strata manager says they don’t need to have a meeting, there is no correspondence and he has to do what the executive committee say.

      Can I and should I be checking this out? It seems all other owners are being deliberately kept in the dark.

       

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    • #21304
      daphne diaphanous
      Flatchatter

        Democracy, with a capital D once again.

        #21321

        This would clearly be changing common property so would require a special resolution to amend. A written request from the executive committee is inadequate and the SM should be advising the EC of the unlawful nature of their request.

        Also, how can an EC request something without conducting a meeting? Without this the request is just from one member…

        #21323
        scotlandx
        Strataguru

          Setting aside changes to common property requiring a special resolution – which is a valid consideration – go back to the strata manager in writing and ask for the following:

          – notice of EC meeting setting out the proposed resolutions to proceed with/effect those changes, and any supporting documentation, including quotes, experts’ reports etc;

          – date of the meeting at which the EC approved those changes;

          – minutes of the EC meeting at which those changes were approved;

          – date on which the relevant EC minutes were either posted on the strata noticeboard or provided to the other owners.

          Note to the strata manager that you are sure he/she is aware that any decisions of the EC require approval of the EC members at a properly convened meeting, and in the absence of such approval, the strata manager is not authorised to take any action, and in fact may be liable in the absence of requisite authority.

          Then note that as these (the venting of the dryers at least) are changes to the common property, you believe that the Act requires a special resolution to approve such changes to common property, and therefore any purported decision by the EC in that regard is outside the ambit of its powers.

          Then conclude by telling the strata manager that you require a response with all relevant documents within 7 days, and that you expect that no works will be undertaken until a satisfactory response has been provided.  If any works are commenced in the interim, you will lodge an application with NCAT.

           

           

          #21338
          Costa
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            To update those who have posted and thank you, after questions and complaints, the strata manager has put up a notice saying there is to be a paper executive committee meeting, with do not attend this meeting highlighted, where this three and a half thousand dollar dryer venting project is going to be voted on and as a separate resolution acknowledging that it is maintenance to fix a hazardous situation, quoting the part of the NSW Strata Titles Act about maintaining the common property. Without going into it I will say this is completely untrue. Remember the work is supposed to be starting this Monday too.

            We think the project is to stop the noise from the drying room affecting the chairman’s residence. The set-up has been this way for years and doubtless other residents get a bit of noise too. It might be a worthwhile project, if only they had gone about it in the right way instead of trying to sneak it through, fast, on the sly Even though an AGM is next month.

            #21340
            scotlandx
            Strataguru

              1. Any owner is entitled to attend a meeting – of course it is a bit difficult if it is being held by paper resolution.

               

              2. I am not sure what time the manager put the notice up, but 72 hours notice has to be given, so the decision can’t be made until 72 hours after the notice was given – that means if notice was given at 2pm Friday, the work couldn’t possibly start until after 2pm on Monday.

               

              3. Refer below from Schedule 3 of the Act re how to stop an EC making a decision – you need at least three other owners (note this is calculated by unit entitlement) to agree with your concerns, and give notice in writing to the Secretary and Strata Manager, that you oppose it and it cannot proceed.

              11 Decisions of executive committee

              (2) A decision of an executive committee has no force or effect if, before that decision is made, notice in writing is given to the secretary of the executive committee by one or more owners, the sum of whose unit entitlements exceeds one-third of the aggregate unit entitlement, that the making of the decision is opposed by those owners.

              #21354
              Costa
              Flatchatter
              Chat-starter

                The notice for the executive committee was put up more than 72 hours before, thank you Scotlandx, and we got together the required owners to object however the work has gone ahead.

                We put the paperwork under the (reclusive) secretary’s door which he did not answer or was out or is away (he has been reclusive and unresponsive for three terms now) and also sent it by email to the strata manager to whom the job of secretary is conferred by our contract. The email was sent over the weekend and strata manager says he didn’t get it in time and the meeting went ahead.

                Disregarding that, last part of the chapter, the brazen dishonesty, lack of transparency and probity that all led up to these projects totaling three to five thousand dollars with no agenda, meeting, minutes etc. I find quite astounding. How can this sort of thing happen!

                Surely something can be done about that, but what? It seems strata managers and executive committees can manipulate things dishonestly at will with no consequences. 

                 

                #21355
                Jimmy-T
                Keymaster


                  @Costa
                  said:
                  Surely something can be done about that, but what? It seems strata managers and executive committees can manipulate things dishonestly at will with no consequences. 

                  At the risk of stating the obvious, the simplest way to remedy this is to have a clear-out of your executive committee and take back control of your building. Admittedly, you will need a 75 percent vote to dismiss the entire EC (or any individual member) before your next AGM but it’s amazing how activated owners can suddenly become when they discover that their money is being wasted on individuals’ pet projects.

                  Your other option would be to go to NCAT and ask for orders declaring the decision to go ahead with the work invalid (so that those who approved it would have to pay) but I think that may be a long shot.

                  Or you could go for the appointment of a strata manager but I suspect that the issues in your building are not serious enough to get that over the line and, in any case, that often backfires when the statutory manager starts doing everything by the book.

                  How about writing to all owners telling them what is going on and asking why your scheme has a secretary who never communicates with anyone (when that is basically their only function).

                  Put pressure on your other EC members to remove the secretary from that role (which only requires a majority vote at the EC) and generally make life uncomfortable for all those who clearly prefer to do nothing.  Make your EC accountable by writing to individual members on behalf of the other owners.

                  In effect, what you want to do is set up an Opposition or “EC in Exile”, if you like, so that by the time the next AGM rolls around, the owners have a clear alternative.

                  A word of caution, though.  However hard it is, you must do your utmost to avoid making this personal.  Complain about the office, not the office-bearer, the systems and not the people who run them and the committee, not the committee members.

                  The easiest way for rusted-on committee members to keep their jobs is to characterise you as an individual troublemaker and dismiss your complaints as the unfounded rantings of a lone voice with a personal grudge.

                  The more people you can get onside, the better.  And the less you alarm your other owners in the way you go about things, the more effective your campaign will be.

                   

                   

                  The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                  #21359
                  Costa
                  Flatchatter
                  Chat-starter

                    Wow what comprehensive advice and fast, thank you!

                    I have made an appointment to inspect our strata’s records and attempt to ‘discover’ as the strata manager puts it the addresses of owners who I don’t know, who don’t live here (I’m told we’re exactly half lettings at the moment). Strata manager says he can’t email them to me because of ‘privacy’.

                    I have one more final question, if you please. I would like to see most or all the correspondance to to with these ‘pet projects’ which is a good way to describe them thanks JimmyT. I believe as an owner I am entitled to, but most would be in computers and not printed out. Am I within my rights and is it reasonable to ask for correspondence to be printed out and in the files I am going to look at. There really should be a lot of details and quotes etc. one would think.

                    #21358
                    Whale
                    Flatchatter

                      Costa – YES to are entitled to inspect the records of your Owners Corporation under the provisions of Sect 108 of the NSW Strata Schemes Management Act (1996), and as you’ll see there’s a prescribed fee – currently $30 for the first hour and an additional $15 for each half-hour or part thereof of after that.

                      Clause 3(g) allows you to inspect and if necessary copy “any other record or document in the custody or under the control of the owners corporation”, so that should cover you, but given your circumstances I’d advise you to ensure that the follow all the procedures such as making an up-front payment with your written application to cover say the first hour, that you concurrently provide the Strata Manager with the detail of precisely what it is that you want to inspect, and that you make them aware that you’re prepared to pay for printing / photocopying / downloads to a USB stick etc (take one with you).

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