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    AJP
    Flatchatter

      I live in a 15 year old strata complex with 11 lots (villas and town houses).

      For 14 years everything ran smoothly. Then a new guy moved in, joined the E/C, conned two of the members, and everything changed. There are 6 E/C members and all the votes this year have been 3-3.

      The new guy wants his friend to become our gardener and the friend submitted a $5000 quote for work which does not need doing. Our gardening budget is $2000. The quote was voted against 3-3. As payback, the friend has been damaging our trees and pulling out plants ever since, and then sent an invoice to the Strata Manager for supposed hedging and pruning. The invoice was not paid, and now the new guy has called a EGM with a motion on the agenda to pay his friend. Owners who don’t live here won’t know what has been going on and will probably vote in favour. The $5000 quote is also on the agenda for the EGM, even though it was voted against by the E/C. What can we do about this?

      A tenant has been helping this ‘gardener’ vandalise the plants, trees and lawn. 3 of the E/C members want him issued with a ‘Notice to Comply’ but the other 3 voted against it. How can we stop him? (The tenant’s landlord is one of the 3 who are causing trouble.) Myself and another E/C member have repeatedly told the tenant to leave the trees alone, but he laughs in our face, tells us he can do what he likes and we can’t stop him.

      The SM has not paid the unauthorised invoice, and has repeatedly told the tenant to stop breaking a bylaw. So they have started a campaign to have the SM’s contract terminated. 

      The the situation is untenable, but I don’t know what we can do about it..

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    • #21889
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        You need to write to all owners explaining the situation and how this is damaging the value of their property as well as costing them money they don’t need to spend. You should also include a proxy form (which your strata manager will supply) so that you can get their votes at the EGM.

        Having said that, do not overstate your case and make it personal.  Keep it businesslike and professional.  E.g, he owner wanted his friend to be paid $5000 for gardening and this was rejected.  

        Tell them the owner’s tenant has since then been damaging the garden and other common property and the landlord is blocking attempts to issue Notices To Comply to deal with the issue.

        Explain that if this is not dealt with at the EGM, the scheme faces long and expensive legal battles just to make sure the scheme is run properly (as it has been in the past).

        Stress that this is a very important issue for the future well-being of the scheme and your property values and their attendance at the meeting – or, at the very least, their proxy votes are required.

        If you can, follow up with cahtas and phone calls to the other owners – but again, avoid making it too personal.

        Finally, when it comes to the EGM, keep a close eye on whether the troublemaking owner and his cronies have  paid their levies.  If they are in arrears, they can’t vote (and you’d be surprised how many troublemakers in buildings think they can hurt the EC by not paying their levies).  If they are in arrears, the payment has to be in the bank the day before the meeting. Writing a cheque at the meeting isn’t acceptable as it could be (and often is) cancelled if the vote doesn’t go their way. Some strata managers won’t even accept cash as the levies have to be in the owners corp accounts to clear the debt. Obviously, you would keep quiet about this until the meeting – it’s a tactic to keep in your back pocket.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #21893
        AJP
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Thanks JimmyT.

          We don’t have an address or phone number for three of the owners, and the SM says he cannot give us that information. Is that correct that E/C members cannot be given contact details for OC members?

          #21900
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster

            This is nonsense. The Owners Corp (and therefore the Strata Manager) has to keep an up-to-date roll of lot owners. As an owner and member of the OC, you are entitled to see all documents, including the strata roll and addresses on it (but not email addresses unless prior permission has been given). This will cost about $30 plus any photocopying charges.

            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
            #21903
            Felix
            Flatchatter

              I would like to reply to Jimmy’s statement about challenging the validity of a vote at a AGM or EGM.

              Do you have to bring it up to the SM , if they are chairing, before the vote is taken or can you challenge after the vote.

              It could be that the vote taken is in agreement with what you’d like to see done and there is no reason to challenge and save it for another day.

              On the other hand one would want to challenge if it would change the outcome adversely.

              #21905
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                You can raise the validity of a vote with the chair before or during a meeting – and every General meeting should be prefaced by a register of whpo is thereand entitled to vote, including any proxies they may hold.

                Off the top of my head, you have 28 days to challenge the validity of a vote via NCAT but even then you would have to show that the outcome of the vote would have been different if correct procedures had been followed.  

                In short, you could have a meeting that failed to meet any of the basic criteria for conduct of a general meeting but if the outcome of the votes would not have been altered had all the conditions been met, then a challenge would probably fail. 

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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