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    alinka
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      At the EGM 2014, one of the motions was called out of order and dismissed by the chairman (strata manager), because as he stated the motion required special resolution. The motion was not noted on the agenda as such. At the same time the owners who put the motion on the agenda were not able to prove that the issue is a repair, section 62 (standard resolution). The chairman also stated it is an upgrade and only section 65A is applicable. (Special resolution).

      These two owners refused to accept it and few months later another EGM was called and chaired by the EC chairman, (not the strata manager) who at same time was one of the owners who put once again the same motion on the agenda, without stating special resolution required. 4 owners out of 8 handed over a statement asking the motion to be dismissed for the same reasons as the last time.

      The chairman refused to acknowledge and accept it. He said he has a written legal advise from a top strata lawyer, who advised him that only standard resolution can be applicable, because of a safety issue. He refused not only to show this alleged advise to the OC, he even refused to answer or prove what should be unsafe. He said that not him but the 4 opposing owners have to prove the opposite.
      18 month ago on the request of these two owners, the OC engaged a structural engineering company, to check the safety and the condition of the balconies. The report stated “no further action required”, because no problems were identified.
      These 2 owners had and have support of two others and so with they have entitlements majority, therefore these two owners are pushing the voting on standard resolution, what was the case this time.

      Can the chairman without any proof or reason change the previous EGM resolution? Is this not only conflict of interest but also is it sufficient to claim that he has a written advise from a strata lawyer, what he was and is refusing to present to the OC, because he paid for it, unless the OC will reimburse him? Does not the OC has the right to see this advise on which grounds the chairman changed the previous resolution?
      Didn’t he misuse his position as the chairman and was this voting under these circumstances  and what he did legal at all?

      Alinka

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      Jimmy-T
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        There is an all-encompassing Section 138 by which you can ask an adjudicator to make a ruling on what the EC or Owners Corp should do.

        If you go to mediation, then adjudication, the people who are pushing for this will have to show their evidence if they want a ruling in their favour.

        By the way, their argument that you have to prove them wrong is nonsense. All you have to do is tell them that any decision they make that is not covered by the Strata Act will be a) challenged at NCAT and b) a ruling will also be sought to adjust levies so that they alone pay all costs.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #23795
        alinka
        Flatchatter
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          Thank you very much Jimmy. I truly appreciate your advise

          alinka

          #23805
          alinka
          Flatchatter
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            Hello Jimmy
            Would you be kind enough to advice me on following.

            Can the EC without conducting an ECM decide, if a lawyer can be present at an EGM to advice the OC (actually the EC) and be paid from the OC funds?

            At the last EGM, approx. 10 days ago a lawyer attended the meeting. Before the EGM two quotes were emailed to the OC by one of the EC members who wants his balustrade to be replaced. They still are arguing if standard or special resolution should apply.
            One of the quotes specifically pointed out that before the attendance at the forthcoming EGM, an ECM must be conducted where 1/3 can opposed to it alternatively it needs to be decided at a GM.

            The EC has a spending limit of $2500.00 (day to day issues), the quotes were around $1400.00.
            Even if it is in their spending limit, was the EC not obliged to call an ECM, where this should be discussed, eventually voted down?

            Before the EGM I wrote to the strata manager and to the EC that in case a lawyer will attend the EGM without prior OC approval (without conducting an ECM) the person/s who will invite the lawyer, should pay for it.
            Because the ECM was not called and the lawyer attended the EGM,we (opponents) assumed that he was invited privately.

            When I looked at our strata finances few days ago, I noticed that approx.$1300.00 was deducted from our admin fund for legal fees. I asked our strata manager what this figure is for and received following answer,
            “I was able to arrange this under my delegation but I consulted with the EC first.”

            Can the strata manager do it and what kind of answer is it? He knew that the ECM was not called and he arranged the solicitor, but as excuse, he writes, the EC was consulted!!! 
            I should mention that the strata manager is supporting the owners who want to have their balustrades replaced and who at the same time are also members of the EC.

            Could you please advice what can be done, so the money can be credited back to the OC funds and who ever organised it will be responsible for the charges.

            Alinka

            #23806
            Jimmy-T
            Keymaster

              Your Owners Corp is exempt from needing the Approval of a General meeting if the legaladvice is less than $1000 per unit or $12,500, whichever is less.

              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
              #23808
              alinka
              Flatchatter
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                Thank you Jimmy.

                i understand your explanation. But my concern is if they could invite the lawyer without conducting the ECM prior to the EGM. So at least we would have the opportunity to ask, why it is necessary for the lawyer to attend the EGM and what the benefit would be for the OC.

                One of the lawyer wrote, an ECM must be conducted before the attendance and if 1/3 of the owners will oppose to it, then an GM mus be called where it will be decided by the majority, if the lawyer should attend the EGM.

                Alinka

                #23809
                Sir Humphrey
                Strataguru

                  The EC could resolve to invite a lawyer to attend a general meeting within cost limits. 

                  I recall that our EC once engaged a lawyer to speak to a meeting of owners so that they would better understand his advice on a complex issue that would ultimately require an unopposed resolution of a general meeting. 

                  #23811
                  alinka
                  Flatchatter
                  Chat-starter

                    Thank you Peter

                    I understand what you are saying. If the lawyer would be invited to explain something where the entire OC would benefit from, I wouldn’t have any problem with it.

                    Our chairman chairing the EGM (2015) changed the EGM decision from 2014 without supporting evidence. 2014 it was decided that an issue requires special resolution and he changed it at the EGM 2015 to a standard one what would be in favour in his and other EC member personal issue. Only because of this the EC (he and two supporters) engaged a lawyer without calling an ECM.

                    This is what I and some other owners have problem with.

                    Did they need to call an ECM or not?

                    Alinka

                    #23814
                    Sir Humphrey
                    Strataguru

                      I don’t see that the EC needed to call an EGM to decide whether to engage a lawyer to attend another general meeting, within the above-mentioned limits for legal costs.

                      A function of the EC is to plan meetings and develop proposals for the OC to consider. If the EC thinks that it would be beneficial to engaging a lawyer to explain certain matters to a meeting and answer questions then I think that is within their function.  Similarly, an EC might decide that some other sort of proposal could be better explained to owners and explored by a general meeting by inviting an engineer or an architect to attend the meeting. IE, in principle, I see nothing wrong with an EC engaging appropriate experts to advise on matters, and, on occasions, deciding that the best way for that advice to be communicated would be in person. 

                      The lawyer may or may not be useful and the EC’s proposals may or may not be ideas that will be supported by the OC at the general meeting, but that is another matter. At least you have been given the opportunity to directly question the lawyer about whatever is proposed. 

                      #23817
                      alinka
                      Flatchatter
                      Chat-starter

                        Thank you Peter.

                        I know, the EC doesn’t need to call an EGM, but I think, they should have called an ECM. On the agenda amotion should be placed in regards to the engagement of a solicitor on behalf of the OC. At the ECM the EC should explain the reasons and discuss why in their opinion a lawyer should be engaged. Actually we don’t know if the entire EC (3 members) or only the one member,  who is involved in the issue, requested it.

                        When I asked our strata manager where and who decided to engage the solicitor to attend the EGM, his answer was “I was instructed by a member of the EC to engage the solicitor and he is not prepared to discuss it further”.

                        Don’t  the owners have the right to be informed before the EC makes such a decision and is it not a duty of the EC to call an ECM?

                        once again thank you Peter for you advise.

                        alinka

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