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  • #9417
    Millie
    Flatchatter

      Hi Folks

      The Minutes of a recent EGM seem out of order to me:

      1)  Several Owners’ proxies weren’t shown as being given to me.

      2)  I thought it was normal practice to give full details of the Motions moved and then report whether or not they were carried or defeated. In this case the Minutes simply say that 10 Motions were put and the were defeated “unanimously”. There is not a whisper of what was in the Motions. One would have to refer back to the Agenda to have any idea what these 10 Motions were.

      3) The Motions weren’t defeated Unanimously. The Chairperson put the Motions to vote as a block and Owners were asked who wanted to vote against them. A large majority raised their hands. The Chairman announced that the Motions were defeated. No one was given the opportunity to abstain or vote for them.

      With major legal action possibly/probably heading our way, shouldn’t the Minutes specify what the Motions were, that some Owners did NOT vote to defeat the Motions, with further clarity re owners who gave their proxies to be used in favour of the Motions spelt out?

      It never fails to amaze me how inventive our EC can be in trying to conceal exactly what is happening and also in twisting the truth.

      Thanks.

      Footnote: have just checked with Fair Trading. There is nothing in the legislation saying how Minutes must be set out. But a bit of truth and transparency surely wouldn’t go astray!

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    • #21237
      Whale
      Flatchatter

        The advice provided by the Office of Fair Trading is correct, probably because the Minutes can usually be read in conjunction with the Agenda – although I would have thought that any Strata Manager worth the money the Owners Corporation pays to them would make the extra effort to cut-and-paste the Agenda Items into the Minutes document.

        I don’t understand why so many posts to FlatChat speak to Strata Managers doing as they choose, and with those Owners present at a General Meeting (in your example) permitting them to do so; talk about the tail wagging the dog!

        But now that the tail’s been wagged…. on the assumption that the “large majority” that voted down the block of Motions represented more than 50% or 75% as the case may be of those Owners entitled to vote, all that you and like-minded Owners can practically do is to write to the Strata Manager to express your collective dissatisfaction, and to vote against accepting the Minutes at the next General Meeting.

        A somewhat impractical option may be to apply for Orders to invalidate the vote/s taken at the General Meeting under Sect 153 or 154; depending of course on the size of that “large majority”.

        PS – just had a further thought. An Application for Orders may just get-up, as from what you’ve said the Strata Manager would be unable to emphatically state what the votes for and against the Motions were. (1635hrs)

        #21239
        Millie
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Thanks Whale.

          In this case it’s the EC Secretary, not the SMA, we’re talking about.

          I have subsequently written to the Secretary, stating that in my opinion the Minutes are wrong – the Motions were not passed unanimously.  And I will attend the next General Meeting and repeat this statement.

          In the meantime, there are lots of other issues at play here.  

          As I said, the ways in which our EC manages to mask the real situation within our Strata are hugely ‘imaginative’.  And alas I’m one of a very small minority.  That’s just the way it is.

          #21241
          Whale
          Flatchatter

            Thanks Millie – I missed that subtlety, but if the payment issue with respect to the Strata Manager is ignored, I believe that the remainder of my commentary is valid and particularly so with seeking Orders under Sect 154.

            If the 28 day window for seeking those Orders hasn’t passed, it seems to me that the Chair and/or Secretary of your Executive Committee would be hard-pressed to disprove any assertion that you and others were improperly denied a vote on the motion/s.

            #21242
            Millie
            Flatchatter
            Chat-starter

              Thanks Whale. The way I see it is that:

              Someone moved that the vote on the Mitions be adjourned to a later date – this was defeated by a majority vote.

              A vote was put that, due to time restraints/lateness of the hour, all 10 Motions be voted on together. This was passed.

              Motions were put as a block for a vote.

              Minured show that the Motions were dismissed unanimously – ie everyone in the room voted in favour of defeating them. This most definitely wasn’t the case. Yes, a majority vote defeated the Motions, but many didn’t vote this way.

              I’ve registered my objection in writing to how the Minutes have been written up and will press this at the next General Meeting.

              #21251
              daphne diaphanous
              Flatchatter

                Dear Whale, the tail wags the dog in our SP as well, because the pack of dogs in the majority are only too happy being wagged by the tail. We are only puppies in this SP, but we’ll be darned if we’ll yield ownership of the tail. So there.

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