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    alinka
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      We are block of 8 units.
      Two owners asked for EGM to be conducted, 3 months before the AGM. They presented two motions, one regarding installation of new balcony balustrades in two units and one regarding installation of railing on the landscape stairs in the back garden.
      For both situations the OC had reports. One relating to the balustrades and one to the stairs. Both reports didn’t find anything to be wrong with the current situation.

      These two owners didn’t accept the findings of the reports and asked the strata manager for an EGM to be conducted in the hope to push their demands through.

      I and two other owners asked the strata manager to advise the applicants that the AGM is only 3 months away, it is not an emergency for EGM to be conducted. The applicants even determined the place of venue, the date, the time and that the strata manager has to chair the meeting.
      Also in their first motion they asked the cost for the EGM and it preparation to be paid by the OC, with no cost in place. Without asking the other owners, the strata manager confirmed the meeting, exactly as asked by the applicants.
      I advised the strata manager that special resolutions are needed. He knew that in this case it will be not passed. His reply was, it is a repair and therefore a simple resolution is sufficient. After hot discussions and several emails, the strata manager, finally, 9 days before the EGM admitted, that special resolutions are necessary, but he doesn’t have the time to change the agenda which was already sent off to the owners one day before.
      Few days before the EGM we received another email that he will dismiss the motions because special resolutions were not stated on the agenda.
      Despite this, he let the applicants argue with the other owners almost for one hour, if repair or not. Finally the strata manager dismissed the motion.
      Four owners were in favour of the new balustrades, 4 against. Because the 4 owners have more entitlements, they were pushing, together with the strata manager for a simple resolutions. The strata manager was supporting them, all  way through.
      After the meeting the OC received an invoice from the strata manager – 2 hours for the EGM, one hour preparation and 2 hours for his research, if simple or special resolution was needed.

      My questions are

      Was the EGM legal at all when this was not a case of emergency? Despite they had 25% of entitlements to be able to ask for the EGM, shouldn’t the strata manager advised them against it, because it was not necessary and could wait until the AGM?

      In both cases it was an upgrade/improvement, not a repair, nor an order from the Council.

      The EGM was conducted 3 months before the AGM

      Could these two owners decide on the place of venue, time and who will chair the meeting without consulting and asking the EC or OC?

      Does the OC need to pay for the meeting and for the strata manager charges or should this be borne by the two applicants? One motion was dismissed and the second one was postponed until the AGM.

      Who is responsible to find out what kind of resolution is needed? The person who puts the motion in or the strata manager?

      Some of us have slowly the feeling that our strata manager is biased, openly supports some owners in the building and they in return are allowing him to charge the OC for his “services”.

      I would appreciate your advise

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    • #22160
      Whale
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        Alinka – yours is a perfect example of the tail wagging the dog!

        The Strata Manager works for the Owners Corporation (i.e. you and the other Owners) and they’re obligated to act in accordance with your instructions provided they’re legal in terms of the NSW Strata Schemes Management Act (SCMA) and any other Acts of relevance.

        Even though the Agency Agreement that prescribes the terms of your Strata Manager’s appointment and their duties may delegate the role of Executive Committee Secretary to them, which gives that Strata Manager the ability to convene General Meetings, even then the elected Secretary of the Committee can, and in your circumstances should have, overruled the Strata Manager.

        The correct procedure was followed when 25% of Owners (by unit entitlement) requisitioned the delegated Secretary to convene an Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM) but the SCMA then requires the Secretary to convene a Meeting to consider the Owners’ Motion/s “as soon as practicable” thereafter.

        Clearly, in the circumstances you describe that should have been concurrently with the upcoming Annual General Meeting, and any Strata Manager worth what their client’s paying them (i.e. your Owners Corporation again) should have been in no doubt about the requirement for special resolutions, with ≥75% of votes in favour by unit entitlement for the Motion/s to pass; the SCMA is very clear on that provision!

        It’s usual for an EGM to be paid for by the Owners who’ve requisitioned it, but because the Motions were incorrectly put and the 2 hour debate resolved nothing in terms of committing expenditure, resulting in a proper mess (a technical term) I’d be inclined to let it slide and pay-up from communal funds. After all, those 2 Owners are contributing at least 25% of those costs anyway!

        So far as the Strata Manager is concerned, your Executive Committee needs to quickly pull them into line. Let them know who they’re working for, and if necessary amend their Agency Agreement to ensure that happens – perhaps by reviewing those delegations.

        #22161
        alinka
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        Chat-starter

          Thank you Whale

          could you kindly let me know, if the applicants could decide the place, time and date of the venue and who will chair the meeting without consulting the OC? Could the applicants put the motion on the agenda that OC will pay for the EGM and all cost involved or should the strata manager dismiss the motion? Was it up to them or the strata manager to find out what kind of resolution was required?   Thank you. Alenka

          #22163
          Whale
          Flatchatter

            alinka – NO they should not, unless of course one of them is the Executive Committee Secretary who is the person responsible for convening General Meetings, but in a Plan as small as yours it shouldn’t have been too difficult for someone to consult with all eight (8) Owners about a suitable time, venue etc. and even if there’s no consensus, that’s what proxies are for!

            Just as the Secretary convenes Meetings, without stating the obvious the Chairperson chairs them, but I say again that it’s customary for those functions to be delegated to a Strata Manager, who should discuss the details of venue etc with whoever it is that’s shown as the Owners Corporation’s nominee on their Agency Agreement; usually the Secretary.

            The Motions to be included on the Meeting Agenda can be whatever is provided to the Secretary by the Owners concerned, so YES those Owners could submit a Motion about the Owners Corporation paying for the costs of the EGM, and that could have been resolved by those present on the basis of a simple majority vote one way or the other; so unlike the “non-special resolutions” there was no basis for the Strata Manager to dismiss it.

            With regard to those resolutions, the Strata Manager should have known what type was required for each of the submitted Motions, and it’s their role to provide the Owners Corporation as their client with that advice and to re-word the Motions accordingly; that’s what you’re paying them for and it should have taken about 2 minutes “research” as the relevant provision of the SCMA is very clear at Sect 65A (with my emphasis in bold):

            (1) For the purpose of improving or enhancing the common property, an owners corporation or an owner of a lot may take any of the following action, but only if a special resolution has first been passed at a general meeting of the owners corporation that specifically authorises the taking of the particular action proposed:

            (a) add to the common property,

            (b) alter the common property,

            (c) erect a new structure on the common property.

            As I said before, in the process of pulling its Strata Manager into line, your Owners Corporation also needs to review the current appropriateness of that Agency Agreement and, particularly so in the circumstances, its delegations and its nominee/s in terms of liaison with that Strata Manager.

            Finally, it’s clear to me that you and the other like-minded Owners want those who requisitioned that do-nothing EGM to meet the entire costs of doing so, and whilst I can understand your sentiment it’s just not a practical option in my opinion. It will just end up as a they said : the rest of you said scenario, and with the Strata Manager just sitting back and relying the Schedule 1 charges (the disbursements schedule) that are outlined in the Agency Agreement that your Owners Corporation has already signed-off on; not worth the fight in my opinion.

            #22168
            alinka
            Flatchatter
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              Once again thank you Whale.

              Just to avoid any problems in the future regarding EGM, could I ask, if I understood you correctly. 

              1. The EGM’s should be conducted only:

              a. If it can’t wait until the EGM

              b. If it is an emergency or major repair

              2. In case, the EGM is conducted and is benefiting only one or few owners, they should bear the cost of the EGM. 

              3. In real terms it is up to the strata secretary to decide, if an EGM  should be conducted, or if it can wait until the AGM. If the relevant provisions of the SCMA exists to my questions, would you be kind enough to let me know. I value and appreciate your answers.  Alinka

              #22169
              Whale
              Flatchatter

                Alinka – in response to your questions and in the context of the circumstances that you’ve outlined in your posts, the answers to each of those questions is YES, and it’s also worth noting that “Extraordinary General Meeting” is just the descriptor used to define any Meeting of an Owners Corporation that’s not an Annual General Meeting!

                However, I’m afraid that it’s not always as straight forward as that; as I often say with the practical application of Strata Law, it depends.

                For example, if an Owner proposed to undertake renovations to their townhouse, and they’d obtained quotations, selected a preferred contractor, checked their licensing and insurance details, agreed upon a preferred start date with them, and then after approaching Council they were informed that it required letter from their Owners Corporation (O/C) stating its prior consent to the works in accordance with the SCMA.

                Assume that Owner then directly approached their Executive Committee Secretary to convene and EGM (which the Secretary can themselves do) in order to consider a Motion to consent to their proposed renovations, or even if they even went as far as providing a requisition for a EGM supported by 25% of all Owners, then in such circumstances, whilst after discussions with other Members the Secretary would be correct in imposing a requirement to have that Owner meet the costs of the Meeting and for the drafting and Registration of a Special By-Law if necessary, they’d be hard-pushed to claim that it was impracticable to convene an EGM – even if the date of the next AGM was only a few months off.

                Impracticable from whose perspective? As I said, it depends on the circumstances, but as you requested, some relevant provisions of the SCMA are:

                – Re the role of the Strata Manager with respect to convening and chairing Meetings, and of the Secretary’s to still assume their role; and,

                – Re the ability of Owners to requisition a General Meeting and the subsequent role of the Secretary at Clause 31 (3) of Schedule 2; and more generally,

                – I’d urge you and your like-minded Owners to read THIS excellent publication of the NSW Department of Fair Trading.

                #22177
                alinka
                Flatchatter
                Chat-starter

                  Thank you Whale. I fully understand what you mean. I do value and appreciate your advise. Kind regards. Alinka.

                   

                  #22178
                  kiwipaul
                  Flatchatter

                    Here is the full requirement

                    Schedule 2 section 31

                    (3) The secretary of an executive committee or, in the secretary’s absence,
                    any member of the executive committee must convene an extraordinary
                    general meeting as soon as practicable after receiving a requisition for
                    such a meeting signed by one or more persons entitled to vote in respect
                    of one or more lots, the unit entitlement or the sum of the unit
                    entitlements of which is at least one-quarter of the aggregate unit
                    entitlements.

                    This to me seems to be a license for an unscrupulous Sec to ignore the requests of 25% of the strata that have requested an EGM to resolve an issue because it leaves it up to the Sec to decide when to hold the meeting because the term “as soon as practicable” could be interpreted as the next AGM if he is so inclined.

                    #22179
                    Jimmy-T
                    Keymaster

                      Under section 138 (2) of the Act, if an application is made to the committee to fulfill its duties and it fails to do so within two months (or refuses to do so) any “interested party” can make an application for an order at NCAT requiring them to do so.

                      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                      #22188
                      alinka
                      Flatchatter
                      Chat-starter

                        @Jimmyt53 said:
                        Under section 138 (2) of the Act, if an application is made to the committee to fulfill its duties and it fails to do so within two months (or refuses to do so) any “interested party” can make an application for an order at NCAT requiring them to do so.

                        We don’t have a problem with the secretary, but with our strata manager, who in my opinion should have postpone the meeting to the AGM, 3 month away, especially knowing it was not an emergency. The resolutions were dismissed, because it was not stated on the agenda that special resolutions are required.
                        Only who was profiting from this whole circus was the strata manager. After a disastrous meeting he deducted our admin fund with a substantial amount.
                        The EC and the secretary were left out of the situation completely.

                        In my opinion the proper way to handle the situation would be to advice the applicants to wait with their motions until the AGM ( 3 months away).
                        It was not an emergency, the reports clearly stated no faults identified. The two applicants only wanted to push their issues through to get new balustrades and the strata manager supported them in it, even stubbornly stating, standard resolutions are sufficient. Only 9 days before the EGM, the strata manager admitted that special resolutions are required, but he couldn’t change the agenda, because it was already sent out to the owners.

                        #22189
                        Whale
                        Flatchatter

                          Alinka – one last word from me on this subject.

                          With regard to your Strata Manager’s fees, your Owners Corporation (O/C) is entitled to demand a break-down of the fee components in terms of the hourly-rates and/or prescribed amounts ($) for each as applicable, and to compare those to the amounts declared in advance by the Strata Manager at Schedule B of their Agency Agreement.

                          As for the provisions of Sect 138 (2) of the SCMA, if your O/C Secretary or the Strata Manager under delegation had, within 2 months and behaving reasonably, advised the Owners of a decision to consider their Motions at the upcoming AGM, and not by specially convening an EGM, then the provisions of Sect 138 would have been satisfied and those Owners wouldn’t have been able to seek Orders at the NCAT.

                          It’s only a do nothing / say nothing response by an O/C that gives rise to redress by affected Owners at the NCAT; and so it should!

                          That’s all from me!

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