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    ach
    Flatchatter

      Hi all,

       

      I have owned (and lived in) the same apartment unit for more than 3 years now, and recently received a letter from the Executive Committee which:

      (a) notifies me that my air-conditioning unit has been illegally installed on my balcony, and

      (b) demands that I relocate it by a specified date.

       

      Now, the air-conditioning unit in question has been in place since I purchased it more than 3 years ago.

      So, I have a few questions I’d be interested in hearing some feedback on:

      1. The following post here on FlatChat states that there must be a complaint submitted before a notice to comply can be issued:

      /forum/by-laws-and-outlaws/processes-of-by-law-enforcement/#p598

      Is this correct, does the Executive Commitee really need a complaint to be submitted before it can enforce bylaws?

       

      2. Is there a time limit on the enforceability of the alleged breach? (I say “alleged” because I haven’t yet found the specific bylaw that is being voilated.) I mean, is there a specific period of elapsed time after which the breach can no longer be enforced?

       

      3. Is it within their rights to demand that I bear the full cost of the relocation of the air con unit, as well as any work required to remediate/restore the wall (where the air con is currently located) to original condition?

       

      I’m just a bit annoyed that I have to deal with the previous owner’s actions. (In fact, I was specifically told by the selling agent at the time that the air con unit was approved by the Executive Committee – I should have insisted on written evidence.)

       

      Would appreciate any feedback from anyone… thanks for reading.

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    • #13963
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        Two issues here, going back to your link to Simone from Teys Lawyers, she quite clearly says that any enforcement of by-laws has to be initiated by a written complaint.  Whether that includes, for instance, a minuted issue raised at an Executive Committee meeting, I'm not sure. However, I do know that the EC has to raise, discuss and vote on a Notice To Comply before it proceeds (or have delegated those powers to their strata manager).

        More significantly in your case, the EC has missed the boat on this air-con issue.  They had their opportunity to enforce their by-laws when the original owner installed the air-con. The fact that they didn't and the installer has sold up and moved on means the air-con is their problem, not yours.  Any argument they may have that this was a previous EC is irrelevant.

        This is not a case of caveat emptor (buyer beware) as they will probably argue, but “EC attend to your obligation to maintain common property” (no idea what the Latin for that is).

        So sit tight and tell them to talk to their lawyers about this.  But be prepared, as a good strata citizen, to let them move the air-con to an acceptable location at their expense but with your undertaking to look after its ongoing maintenance.

        This does seem a bit harsh on all the other owners who will contribute to making good the previous EC's errors but it's an object lesson in why changes to common property should never be allowed to go through on a nod and a wink.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #13964
        DaveB
        Flatchatter

          I'd take a slightly different tack on this one.  Firstly, I see no reference in Fair Trading's information that they require a written complaint before a Notice to Comply is issued, although the dates and relevant details of the alleged infringements have to be provided on the notice.  

          Without knowing the full circumstances of the case, it could be that the current Executive Committee have become aware of issues which make the location of the air conditioner unsafe or an inconvenience to other residents. 

          It may be installed in such a way that the Executive Committee are only now aware of its existence, eg on a top floor balcony.  Perhaps leaking water down on balconies below, or has developed a defect which it makes it more noisy and obvious.  

          Yes it does seem rough that the new owner is held responsible for what the previous owner has done.   But as you point out its also rough when the other owners have to shell out the cost of its relocation. 

          The purchaser admits he queried the agent on permission being granted for the unit.  My experience tells me never to accept anything real estate agents tell me without independent verification.

          #13966
          Billen Ben
          Flatchatter

            ach said:

            1. The following post here on FlatChat states that there must be a complaint submitted before a notice to comply can be issued:
            /forum/by-laws-and-outlaws/processes-of-by-law-enforcement/#p598

            Is this correct, does the Executive Commitee really need a complaint to be submitted before it can enforce bylaws?

             Hi Ach,
            It is preferable there be a written complaint but the EC, not the agent – unless the agent has been given the powers of the EC in the agreement, can act if the EC is satisfied there has been a breach of a by-law.

            There is no legal requirement for a written complaint but a good EC will generally not act without one. There being a written complaint is good procedure, not a legal requirement.

            You should expect to see an item on an EC meeting agenda if the EC is considering sending a notice to comply. If there was not proper notice of the matter on an EC meeting agenda then note that in my SP a notice to comply was retracted after such a failure (abnd mediation) and there is always the famous quote from, now deputy Chair, CTTT Member Balding.

            “I accept in effect the applicant’s submission that before a decision can be made by the owners corporation whether at its general meeting or by its executive committee meeting there must be due notice.”
            M Balding in Bales v The Owners Corporation SP 12303 (Strata and Community Schemes) [2009] NSWCTTT 296 (2 June 2009)

            Sending a notice is a decision and proper notice is important – allegedly.

            Jimmy gives you good advice. It is now the OC’s problem given their “approval” came in the form of acquiescence when the unit was installed.

            #13977
            imported_dech
            Blocked

                  Where in the ACT or court/tribunal findings is action against the current owner for alterations to common property ruled out?  What if someone claimed that while they were away an intruder altered common property adjacent to or within their lot?  The implication in all of this is also that unless a clear record is kept of the condition and location of common property then someone could undertake various works and claim that it was done by some previous owner – or at a stretch even that they were the only ones who had not altered common property and that all units once had say external blinds or air con units – there are probably cases where that is true e.g. old extraction fans.

               

                  I also understood that there was a requirement in current contracts to purchase strata units for the seller to state whether any alterations were properly approved – is this so?

              #13980
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                Dech

                I'll put that question back to you and ask where it says in the Act that unapproved alterations by a previous owner are the responsibility of the new owner.  What the Act does say is that the Owners Corporation has an absolute responsibility to maintain and repair common property and everything else flows from that.

                Ignorance is no defence in common law and neither, it seems, is it in strata law.  'm not saying it's right or fair, and maybe there should be an opportunity to hook people retrospectively for damage done to CP while they owned the property. But it is what it is.

                In this case, the air-con unit must have been visible for years and its installation can't have gone unnoticed.  I'd be intereted to see what happened if an OC did pursue a previous owners over damage done in the past.

                I have a feeling that you do have to declare that you don't know of any unauthorised work when you sign a sales contract.  But I'd imagine the defence would be along the lines of 'the former chairman (RIP) said it was OK and it's been there for years anyway'.

                Your comment about having a clear record of work done is absolutely right.  A paper trail will be required at some point in a legal action and in smaller blocks, especially, owners need to be on alert when a builder's ute suddenly appears in the driveway

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                #13983
                ach
                Flatchatter
                Chat-starter

                  Thank you very much for all your replies, they've been very informative.

                   

                  It seems nothing is quite clear cut though, so I'm still mulling over what my best course of action is, and how to respond to the strata managing agent/Executive Committee. I'm a bit reluctant to simply ignore it until it becomes a formal matter at the CTTT, would just prefer to avoid all the hassle and stress.

                   

                  To me, the crux of the matter is that I'm being pinged for something that:

                  (a) happened more than 3-4 years ago (I bought the unit in Nov 2007), and

                  (b) was the action of the previous owner, not me.

                  I just have to work out whether I have a leg to stand on.

                  #13984
                  Jimmy-T
                  Keymaster

                    Ach

                    I repeat my previous advice which is to get the Executive Committee to talk to a strata lawyer (at their expense).

                    Meanwhile, send them a letter telling them that you have been advised that this is not your responsibility but (if you wish) you will consider letting them move the air-con unit at their expense.

                    It actually is clear-cut, according to the advice I have had on other issues. So a polite letter telling them they’ve got their facts wrong is quite in order.

                    They wouldn’t be the first EC or strata manager to fall foul of this .  Logic and commonsense would suggest they are right but those two characters aren’t around too often in strata matters.

                    And don’t get bogged down in nitpicking about written complaints. The law seems to be on your side and that gives you a position of strength from which to negotiate and reach a happy compromise.

                    The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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