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    Anonymous

      Hi Jimmy,

      There are 5 EC members in our strata for this year. 3 office holders (Chairman, Treasurer, Secretary) plus 2 owners who want to be part of the committee. The issue we have is that the Chairman and the Treasurer are usually in agreement on what to vote in favour and what to vote against. The other office holder (treasurer) and the two EC members have decided to vote against anything the Chairman or Treasurer proposes just because they are 3 against two.

      My question to you is: Shouldn't the office holders vote (even if it is 2 against 3) be sufficient to go against the other 3 votes? What is the point of holding a position if the other members have the same voting rights? Can you clarify this for me please

      Kind Rgds

      Muffin  

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    • #12874
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        It seems to me the non-office bearers want the best of both worlds.  It's what the British newpaper proprietor Lord Northcliffe called “the preogative of the harlot – infuence without responsibility.”

        The fact of the matter is that the office bearers are elected by the other EC members so the Secretary and the other members of the Opposition could vote the chair and treasurer out any time they liked and vote themselves in. But then they would have to do the work.

        The “one EC member, one vote” concept is enshrined in legislation to the point that it spells out that the chair doesn't even have a casting vote.  The corollary of your situation is visible in ECs where the incumbents have managed to convince other members that they have proxy support from the AGM (invalid) or greater unit entitlements (ditto) and then run the buildings to suit themselves.

        You can reduce the size and composition of your EC at the next AGM.  Personally, if I were in that position I would resign from the chair (but not from the committee) and let them see how it feels to have the tables turned.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #12876
        Anonymous

          Thanks Jimmy, so the bottom line is that all EC votes are equal regardless of positions.

          As an owner am I entitle to be an EC member if I want to be? and, do I need to be nominated?

          Kind Rgds

          Muffin 

          #12878
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster

            That's correct.  The differences are in the process – the secretary is assigned to call meetings, send out agendas and minutes etc etc. The chair's role is largely undefined.

            You certainly can be a member.  You have to be nominated an owner but you can nominate yourself (unless you are a co-owner, in which case you need to get the other so-owner to nominate you).

            This normally happens at an AGM where the process is to call for nominations, then decide how many members there will be on the EC (max 9, min 1) then if there are more nominations than seats, a vote is held.

            Alternatively, if a vacancy appears during the year between AGMs, the EC can (in fact, must) co-opt someone to fill it.  That person then serves out the remainder of the term until the next AGM.

            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
            #12880
            Anonymous

              Thanks Jimmy, so what we need to do is to have enough votes at the next AGM to vote on having an EC of 3 members instead of 5, otherwise we have to put up with the 3 people who are always voting against logic and reason. My next AGM is next Monday, wish me luck. Smile

              Kind Rgds

              Muffin

              PS

              It is good to have you there answering our concerns, queries in a straight forward and reasonable matter. You have clarify many things for me. Thank you so much.

              #12881

              We are often asked about how many people should be on an executive committee and whether a husband and wife (co-owners) can both be on an executive committee. The answer is –

              1.  It is better that an executive committee has an odd number so that there are no deadlocks in voting. 

              2. An executive committee should not have more than nine members. (Schedule 3, Clause 2 (2) of the SSMA)

              3. Anyone can be nominated by an owner as a member of an executive committee. (Schedule 3, Clause 2 (4) of the SSMA). 

              4. Co-owners can both be nominated as candidates for office, however both co-owners must be nominated by another owner of a lot. (Schedule 3, Clause 2 (5) of the SSMA). However, this is often discouraged as conflicts arise when two or more co-owners of the same lot are members of the executive committee.

              Yours faithfully 

               
              Simone Balsara

              Lawyer


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              #12885
              Anonymous

                Thanks Simone, can an owner who will not be at the AGM nominate in writting her/his tenant to be an EC member?

                Kind Rgds

                Muffin

                #12887
                Anonymous

                  Muffin said:

                  Thanks Simone, can an owner who will not be at the AGM nominate in writting her/his tenant to be an EC member?

                  Kind Rgds

                  Muffin

                  Provided the nominating owner is financial & not standing for election themselves & the tenant agrees in writing to the nomination.

                   

                  I am always concerned about non-owners being exec comm members as this person isn't paying the bills & it's easy to spend other people's money & sometimes there are issues that only owners should be privy to until a decision is made by the exec comm or the owners corporation

                   

                  Sharyn Machin

                  https://www.stratachoice.com.au

                  #12891
                  Anonymous

                    Hi Sharyn,

                    It all depends on the type of person. There are tenants who are better off to have in an EC committee than owners.

                     

                    Kind Rgds

                    Muffin

                    #12893
                    afterthefox
                    Flatchatter

                      Dear Sharyn Machin,

                      Thank you so much for articulating the sentiment about non-owners being on ECs and I would love it if you could elaborate even more.

                      We have a similar problem. With our laissez-fare, apathetic and self-interested EC, an elderly, grudge-holding tenant with several axes to grind is probably the most powerful figure in our block of 36. He is empowered by EC office bearers, their proxies and a lazy strata manager and doesn't always do the wise, prudent or right thing.

                      I'm satisfied nobody is watching the pennies; day-to-day cleaning and gardening is not being properly overseen, nor is any emergency work.

                      Neil

                      #13002
                      Anonymous

                        Maybe you can go door knocking and gather a lot of proxies prior to your AGM so that you can swing some votes in your favour in terms of decisions, setting the annual budget etc

                        We had ladies go door knocking at every apartment to gather sufficient proxies so that they could overthrow the existing strata manager and change to a new strata management.

                        In terms of the cleaning, normally there are cleaning/gardening contracts – you can request for a copy from your strata manager and check to see what they charge and what their duties are. Organise for quotes from other cleaning/gardening companies and ask for their references so that you can check their experience.

                        In a block of 36, surely one single, grumpy tenant can't control the entire block…

                        #14155

                        Hi guys,

                           I don't know if it's appropriate to post it here or not, the question is can somebody be in EC or even a chairman when he holds only a quarter of a share of his one-bedroom flat? Does he need a proxy to attend body corp meeting or any types of meeting? Is there any law? Many Thanks.

                        #14159
                        Billen Ben
                        Flatchatter

                          Hi Snoopy,
                          Yes … anyone can be on the EC provided they are properly nominated.

                          From the Strata Schemes Management Act comes the following;

                          (4)  A person is not eligible for election as a member of an executive committee unless the person is:

                          (a)  an individual who is an owner,

                          (b)  a company nominee of a corporation that is an owner, or

                          (c)  an individual who is not an owner but who is nominated for election by an owner who is not a candidate for election.

                          As you can see in part c) someone who is an owner and not running for election can nominate anyone, this includes nominating people who are one quarter owners.
                          As a one quarter owner you cannot nominate yourself but other owners can nominate you. There are provisions for co-owners being nominated by the other co-owners;

                           

                          (5)  A person who is co-owner of a lot may not be a candidate for election as a member of the executive committee unless the person is nominated for office:

                          (a)  by an owner who is not a co-owner of the lot, or

                          (b)  by a co-owner of the lot who is not a candidate for election as a member.

                          Part b) would apply to you if you want to be nominated.

                          The EC elect the Chairperson so once someone is an EC member then they can be nominated for Chair and the EC vote on the matter.

                          Keep in mind the following;

                          A person is not entitled to move a motion at a meeting or to nominate a candidate for election as a member of the executive committee unless the person is entitled to vote on the motion or at the election.

                          The above translate to a person needs to be financial to vote at an AGM or nominate a candidate for the EC. So if you are looking to be nominated make sure the person nominating you is paid up (financial).

                          #14163
                          FlatChatFan
                          Flatchatter

                            snoopy said:

                            Hi guys,

                               I don't know if it's appropriate to post it here or not, the question is can somebody be in EC or even a chairman when he holds only a quarter of a share of his one-bedroom flat? Does he need a proxy to attend body corp meeting or any types of meeting? Is there any law? Many Thanks.

                            Hi snoopy

                            Are you saying that there is a one bedroom flat with four residents where you live?

                            Surely that is not legal, let alone for one of the residents/tenants to have any say in building management???????

                            By the way we are not all “guys”.

                            #14171
                            Jimmy-T
                            Keymaster

                              Anybody, even non-owners, can be a member of an EC if they are legitimately nominated by an owner and elected by the other owners (if an election is required).  However, they can't be nominated by a co-owner who is standing for election themselves or, indeed, nominate themselves unless their name is first on the strata roll.

                              Someone who owns a quarter share in a flat may only be an investor and they may be on the EC to look after the interests of the other co-owners.  It's unusual but absolutely legit.

                              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                              #14190
                              Gilgal1
                              Flatchatter

                                Muffin said:

                                Thanks Jimmy, so what we need to do is to have enough votes at the next AGM to vote on having an EC of 3 members instead of 5, otherwise we have to put up with the 3 people who are always voting against logic and reason. My next AGM is next Monday, wish me luck.

                                Hi Muffin – there is another solution (subject to the number of units in your strata plan) which is simply to find 2 other unit owners (or nominees) for your EC. I think it can be a good thing to have a bit of disagreement so you can actually work out democratic solutions from genuine debate. A bit harder sometimes, admittedly.

                                I'm always a bit concerned about why people choose to wipe out opposition in a committee, rather than just force a proper election. I look forward to the day our strata scheme has more nominees for EC than numbers to elect – that means a real election, where unit owners have to make choices rather than simply acquiesce to the will of the more outspoken unit owners (of which I am one).

                                Don't get me wrong, I do understand the frustration of dealing with people who may have a personal gripe against you – imagine if they put their energy into something constructive! As a reluctant EC secretary I prefer to try to educate owners and encourage their involvement, since in the long run this could mean I can stand down from the job when someone else is ready to fill it.

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