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  • #7987
    apples45
    Flatchatter

      Does anyone know of any laws that require an apartment block to have a front security door? I am living in a small block of under 15 units. 

      This door is the entrance to the building and does not lock. I am worried about security. I have asked for the matter to be put forward on the next extraordinary general meeting, but am having a hard time finding evidence other than crime statistics in the area to back up my request.

      The executive committee have made it clear that they don't want the front door to lock. I would like to provide them with some 'legal obligations' to assist in this matter getting resolved in the meeting.

      I understand that as the current door is the original, then the only legal obligation of the executive committee is it's upkeep as opposed to replacement, but was hoping that there might be some other information out there!

      Thank you.

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    • #14973
      struggler
      Flatchatter

        I don't think you will find a legal requirement for an apartment block to have a security front door.  You will find that many apartment blocks don't have a security door. 

        It would however be a desirable feature for buyers.  Most real estate ads mention “security door” in their list of features.  I personally would prefer to have a security front door.  They do provide security – except when residents prop them open that is.

        If you should want to push this matter, do consider that you would have to have an intercom system installed as well so that your visitors can get in. And thats where the cost would be.  I don't know how much it would cost to have such a system installed but do know that to have a system replaced costs quite a bit.

        #14993

        I posted a similar query and Jimmy brought up the existence of wireless intercom systems – if you do a google search you'll get quite a few hits!

        I agree with Struggler about the intercom being a necessity.

        #15006
        apples45
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Thanks for the information. I'm definitely going to push the issue and also push for the wireless intercom system!

          #15100
          DavidR
          Flatchatter

            As a service provider in the electronic security industry with much experience in the strata environment, I'd be more than happy to provide you with some site specific recommendations and an estimate of costs associated. In addition to the access control and intercom requirements, we are also able to perform any additional work that may be required to facilitate the desired outcome. (In older buildings, the front door, frame and adjacent window/s are often replaced as part of the “security building upgrade” if they are past their prime. For a door to automatically close and lock reliably, the door needs to close unimpeded every time).

             

            Wireless intercom solutions were mentioned, but my advice would be to stay with a hard wired system for reliability and serviceability. Although a wireless system may have a lower installation cost, the actual equipment will be much more expensive than wired, and the technology is far from perfect.

             

            In terms of price, I think you'll find that it's not all that bad, particularly with fifteen owners to share the cost. It's much more of a hurdle when there are only three or four units in a block.

             

            Another way of achieving greater value for money is to incorporate other work into the same project. If we're going to be running a cable to every unit anyway, then the cost to pull an extra cable in for NBN connectivity, a CCTV system or pay TV is a small addition now, but will save tens of thousands of dollars compared to separate projects.

            #15109

            As I understand it, the door in question is the original door and has never had a locking mechanism installed – it has always been a free turning handle or knob to gain entry.

            Assuming that's correct – I believe your only course of action is to have your proposal(s) placed on the Agenda at the next meeting so it can be voted on by owners. Contact your Strata Managers to have your proposal listed.  Canvass other owners and get them to attend the meeting or get proxies from them, in your favour, if they can't make it. 

            If the original locking mechanism has been removed or has failed to work properly, then the EC has a responsibility to maintain the locking mechanism in good working order.

            As a Lot owner in a smaller strata complex, I understand that some EC's (possibly only 2 or 3 people) think they control the entire complex.  This is not the case because their sole obligation is to represent the Owners Corporation (which is you and other owners) and they are required to look after your collective better interests.  Don't ever be deterred by them.

            As mentioned in previous Posts there's lot's of things the Owners Corp could approve, but it all comes down to money and the amount of dollars you have in your Admin & Sinking funds.  If you don't have enough, a Special Levy will be placed on all owners to fulfill the financial obligations.  These extra levies can & will place hardships on some – so tread carefully & chat with neighbours first.

            #15111
            gikku
            Flatchatter

              “security doors” are another example of security theatre. they add no value, it's another system to maintain and service and for many they just add inconvenience to the resident and their visitors getting in and out.

              your typical security door might keep some 8 yr olds out, the bible bashers and electricity salesman and real estate agents, maybe, but for anyone else that wants in they're really very simple to defeat. just push the buttons until someone lets you in, usually works. failing that, follow a resident in, particularly at peak time for movements, mornings or afternoons.

               

              The best security you cant see.

              #15114
              DavidR
              Flatchatter

                I would say that being in a security building does add value, both in pure monetary terms and also in sales and rental marketability.

                 

                If a locked foyer door keeps the people selling religion and various other wares out, then that alone makes it worth the money in most people's books, and a properly designed system with a buzzer that sounds when the door is propped open, combined with a proactive committee that communicates regularly to residents the importance of and means to ensure good basic security (close the door, don't let strangers in) will be extremely effective in keeping the seriously undesirable out of your hallways.

                 

                Put a few cameras around the place, and you've basically put your building in the “too hard” basket for most theives. They'll go and target Gikku's building next door, because it's so much easier and less risky.

                #15119
                struggler
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                  Of course no security is 100% be it a security door, a deadlock or alarm system.  They are deterants.  And a would be thief really doesn't want to take any more time than necessary to carry out your TV.  So if there is something that will cause delay he will be looking at the place next door that has the welcome mat out and the door open.

                  Will people get in even with a security door.  Sure.  But alot less than without.  I would not consider a unit without a security door.

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