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    Jimmy-T
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      FLAT CHAT COMMENT by Jimmy Thomson

      Predictably, proposed strata law reforms have survived the NSW Parliament intact and the new world order will come into effect for the state’s 2 million or more strata residents on July 1 next year.

      But you have to wonder if the left-leaning wing parties in the Legislative Council have deliberately missed an opportunity to moderate the most controversial of the proposals – the plan to allow 75 percent of unit block owners to force the other 25 percent to sell their homes.

      I write as a ‘shiraz socialist’, former Labor supporter, and I’m feeling a little let down. There were two strata Bills that went through Parliament this week – one mostly covering the daily dilemmas of strata living, the other allowing a majority of strata owners to force a minority to sell their homes to a developer.

      Admittedly, the government was ruthless. Debate was curtailed and the Bills were riveted together tighter than the girders on the Harbour Bridge.  MPs were told if they wanted the much-needed reforms to strata living laws, they had to accept the forced sales proposal.

      It’s not without merit. The 100 percent vote currently required gives absolute power to individuals, and that is undemocratic. And the principle of property owners being forced to sell for the common good is already established – just ask the owners of houses in the way of new motorways and the airport planned for Badgerys Creek.

      It’s just that the 75 percent voting threshold seems too low to many people, including some who agree that the majority of owners in a crumbling building should not to be held to ransom by opportunistic hold-outs, or those emotionally but illogically attached to a block that’s well past its use-by date.

      And, of course, this system will be rorted – this is Sydney, after all – not least because there is no test demanding that the community as a whole benefits.

      For instance, a four-unit block with fabulous ocean views could be transformed into a mansion for, say, a minor local politician who has a major addiction for bling and the bank balance to feed it.

      If there’s a proposal to turn a block of eight, half of which have no views, into four storeys each containing one luxury pad with fabulous vistas, the existing unit owners will be interested in only one thing – how much are they getting for their otherwise unsalable units?

      But we have too many older apartment blocks in Sydney that waste space and resources yet, by law, have to be maintained by the apartment owners regardless of how badly built or how old they are.

      A recent UNSW survey says about 8,500 strata schemes in Sydney are potential candidates for renewal, especially if there was a positive interpretation of their local planning laws. However, as explained here, getting strata owners to vote for renewal or redevelopment will be a lot harder than turning up with a chequebook and a bulldozer.

      So why 75 percent? One theory is that the majority of older strata schemes have only four units in them.  If you make the required vote any more than 75 percent, you are back to single owners having a veto in the biggest pool of potential renewal projects.

      OK, then why don’t we have a sliding scale, as they do in Singapore, or a community benefit clause that simply says there should be no fewer dwellings after the renewal than before? Did anyone suggest this?

      That’s where the Labor Party and Greens may have let us down.  They decided that they were going to fight the good fight on a “no forced sales” front, even though they must have known they were doomed to lose in an all-or-nothing battle.

      The balance of power in the legislative Council (NSW’s upper house) effectively put the passage of legislation in the hands of two Shooters and Fishers Party members and Fred Nile’s Christian Democrat duopoly. Given their conservative inclinations, it looked like a clear run.

      But what if they’d had a choice? You have to wonder how many of Rev Nile’s constituents are the hypothetical Auntie Mabels about to be thrown out of their flats and driven to a retirement home in the back of a builder’s ute.

      And wasn’t it anticipated opposition from the Shooters and Fishers that prompted the government to delay the reforms until after the last election. Exactly how wedded would the death sport aficionados have been to the reforms?

      So why would Labor and Green members take such a rigid and ultimately doomed position instead of suggesting amendments that just might have won support?

      Fast forward to six months before the next election when the legislation has been up and running long enough for there to have been a virtual cavalcade of Auntie Mabel-bearing utes, and a TV feast of families dragged kicking and screaming from their homes to make way for luxury flats for entitled ‘entrepreneurs’ and fabulous nobodies.

      Few institutions know better than the NSW Labor Party that there is an opal-like vein of corruption running through the lower levels of the apartment development industry. We can reasonably expect that a shameful act of deceit and exploitation will occur.

      When they do, the people who said “no forced sales, no way” will be standing on the moral high ground pointing the finger at the government, saying “we told you so!”

      But will anyone ask, why didn’t you do more when you had the chance?

      Is Jimmy Thomson missing the point (again) or do you think the Opposition parties could and should have done more.. Click below to send us a comment.

      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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    • #24155
      happy2stay
      Flatchatter

        Most strata schemes i have lived in have approx 75% of owners living offsite as landlords. A forced sale hits an on site owner in a completely different way. e.g. The live-on-site owner has no tax deductions and has most likely taken possession of the property planning to only pay stamp duty, legal fees, real estate fees once.
        The person standing next to you at a meeting is most likely viewing the sale of their property as not very different to simply buying or selling shares. ( Of which I have 30 years exp ).
        The live-on-site owner has most likely initially spent a long time and a lot of hard work to buy their
        own home (unit) and organized their super so that hopefully they are not a financial burden to anybody.

        I have spoken with a lot of unit owners and they seem indifferent to the fact that this new legislation may be viewed as actually reducing your right to own your property. What’s next – houses?
        I understand that nothing in life is secure, however I do think people need a goal to work for that has some kind of sensible percentage of security attached to it. Isn’t that why you get out of bed in the morning?

        Will this new law affect how the mortgage lenders view your property? Will there be a whole bunch of real estate investors who actually walk away from long term real estate investments because the
        concept of it over the long term has been destabilized.

        What if you are the unwilling victim of the 75% meeting vote and are settling into your new unit, half the size of your last one, in a 9 floor block, and then are informed that the local council has just happened to have rezoned your new building as 25 floors above ground. Here come the developers again.

        #24157
        Whale
        Flatchatter

          I think that probably due to excited commentary by media types (excluding our esteemed administrator) who just listen to or read the headline of a media release, this whole debate is being very much hyped-up!

          As I read the proposed Act, where the provisions involving the sale of an entire building comprises a significant proportion, the process of booting-out Aunty Mabel (apologies Jimmy) is hardly straight forward or can in any way be rushed.

          What with the need for an Owners Corporation (O/C) to resolve at a General Meeting to even explore the possibilities of selling their entire building to assist themselves and the State Government’s process of “urban renewal”, followed by the election of a Committee to examine possible scenarios, reports back to the O/C at every stage of that examination over a timeframe of up to 2 years, followed by yet another General Meeting to resolve IF the O/C still wants to proceed…. bla bla bla.

          Then…. IF the O/C agrees and the original Committee hasn’t been reformed due to Owners’ challenges about self-interest and other matters of dissent, it has to obtain properly executed documents of support from 75% of Owners (which seems to be the only component of this convoluted process that is reported upon in the media), and if there’s insufficient support at the end of 12 months, then the whole process comes to an abrupt end.

          On the other hand, if Owners aren’t totally put-off within that 12 month period, and at least 75% do offer support, then there’s yet another General Meeting, where a special resolution (≥75% in favour by unit entitlement) needs to be passed in order for the agreement to be this time taken to the NSW Land & Environment Court, where any dissenters can again put their case before a final decision is made that could still, even at this late stage, go either way!

          So frankly, even though it’s early days and as I haven’t read every word of the proposed Act/s, right now I can’t conceive of any situation where Aunty Mabel could be forced out of her Unit if she genuinely objects. I must say though, that in addition to the unit entitlement “bias” that is incorporated, I think that one favouring votes by Resident Owners over Absentee/Investor Owners would have been worthwhile.

          #24158
          Millie
          Flatchatter

            Whale, I’ve busted a boiler over our strata and all the work, I can just see this happening in our building in a flash.  I’m already laughing at myself.

            #24159
            Jimmy-T
            Keymaster
            Chat-starter

              @Whale said:
              I can’t conceive of any situation where Aunty Mabel could be forced out of her Unit if she genuinely objects. I must say though, that in addition to the unit entitlement “bias” that is incorporated, I think that one favouring votes by Resident Owners over Absentee/Investor Owners would have been worthwhile.

              Sadly, I can see that scenario, especially in a building where there is a very high percentage of investors who all stand to make a lot of dough.

              But fundamentally, Whale is right.  There is no simple path to renewal (as I also explained HERE, if you feel you need a second opinion) and there is the final say at the Land & Environment Court.

              However, call me cynical but if every other owner wants to sell and Auntie Mabel is the one hold-out, the LEC, which in the past has had a tendency to be pro-developer, is only going to shove a few extra bucks in her apron pocket, not cancel the whole sale.

              I would say the schemes most at risk are those

              • with higher than average ownership by investors (60% or more)
              • on prime real estate with views and/or close to beaches or city centres
              • with serious maintenance problems
              • in an area that allows a much bigger envelope and build height
              • with no sense of community (to fight the intruder)

              If your block ticks three or more of the above boxes, you could be in a developer’s sights already. 

              It may surprise some people but I am in favour of the concept of urban renewal but for me there are three elements missing.

              1. No “community benefit” test to make sure you aren’t getting fewer but more expensive apartment on the same plot.

              2. No sliding scale that allows a lower threshhold of approval (to a 75% minimum) for older buildings, and a higher required vote for newer ones.

              3. No weighting of votes for owner-occupiers over investors.  The latter are, by definition, in it for the money.  Why would investors care if Auntie Mabel’ family home gets between them and a bucket of money?

              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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