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  • #7488
    ElevenSeven
    Flatchatter

      The unit owner in the top floor of our block has installed a ducted  air conditioning unit in the roof space of the building – which in effect, renders that space to be used by them exclusively. They also have installed a burglar alarm into the same space.They did not get any permission to do either of these installations from the owners corporation. We are having an AGM soon and I want to know what course of action I can take as I am concerned that they have just grabbed this space as if they own it.

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    • #13120
      random
      Flatchatter

        Maybe an item on the agenda such as “Discuss and resolve the issue with regards to unapproved installations in common property roof space.” would be a starting point? Although if you request something like this, just be aware that your name may be associated with the point / motion on the agenda.

         

        And, if the majority are happy with it, the discuss and resolve may result in the owner being allowed to keep everything there subject to a special by-law being created and passed at the next meeting for exclusive use and maintenance and responsibility for damage of the installation.

        #13167
        easty
        Flatchatter

          Whichever way you cut it a ducted air conditioning system is a major installation in any building.  I suspect you would not get any change out of 20 grand.  A ducted system has environmental, health, fire safety, insurance and energy implications for the owners and in this case, because it is on common property without an appropriate by-law, the OC are the owners. 

          As such, technically, the OC is responsible for maintenance, including replacement and the more the lot changes hands the less likely it will be that new owners will regard the installation as anything other than common property.

          However irrespective of a by-law to protect the OC (and the Lot Owner by the way) the OC needs to know some basic questions before any ducted system is approved and installed:

           

          1. Where is the compressor located.  Very important and hopefully it is not in the roof which I have seen done and this can have disastrous consequences. Are suitable design drawing available for the system.  Has the system interfered with or likely to interfere with any other installations that may be in the roof e.g. sprinklers, power, hydraulics, AV systems (Foxtel, Internet, DTV etc. etc.).

          2. Ducted systems need regular maintenance to ensure there is no transmission of bacteria.  What is the program for maintenance of filters for example.

          3.        Has the appropriate gas been used and does the system fit in with the OC’s environmental policies.

          4. Noise

          5. What is the power source and has it been appropriately installed

          6. To where does the condensate run and are there drip trays in the ceiling cavity?

          7.        Access for the OC?

          8.        Fire implications

          9.        Insurance – major installation such as this may have to be notified to your insurer due to the increased value of the building.

           

          If any of the above questions cannot be answered correctly then it is not the owners who is in strife – it is the OC, that is until you have satisfied yourself with all of the above (and more probably) and drafted the appropriate by-law.

           There are several ways to bring the owner to account – two of the most effective, if negotiations fall down, is to minute the unapproved alteration which could impact on any future sale of the lot.  You might also advise the lot owner that when he goes to sell his lot a question the strata searcher often asks is if there are any unapproved alterations to the common property attached to the lot.  A yes answer would not be in his interests.

          You might also tell the owner that without formal approval at any time in the future he could be ordered by the OC to remove the installation. 

          Unapproved alteraions and additions to the CP – a common problem and should never be put in the too hard basket.  It is in everyone interests if the process is correctly carried out.

          #13168
          ElevenSeven
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            Thank you Easty – you confirmed what I thought. I am going to bring it up at the upcoming AGM.

            #13170

            ElevenSeven
            Unfortunately you are not able to simply raise matters at the AGM unless there is a motion included on the agenda to consider these matters.

            You may wish to put to the EC/OC the matter of “what is the market value of the roof space” or what consideration has been offered by the top floor apartment owner to the OC in exchange for the right to occupy this part of common property??

            It’s worth asking the question.

            #13176
            ElevenSeven
            Flatchatter
            Chat-starter

              Thank you Mr. Strata. It's one thing giving approval to have the installation post-approved – but that approval does not mean that the “grab” leave the remaining unit owners without compensation.

              Have you (or anyone else out there) had experience in such matters as seeking compensation from a unit holder that made a  “grab” of common property? I take it that a valuer needs to be engaged to work out what “it” is worth? If the other owners end up being compensated, where does that money go i.e. is it divided up between the owners, or is it placed into the sinking levies etc.?

              If the unit owner pays for the privilege of taking that space, does that part of the property form part of their title or is it still common property?  What about maintenance costs – do they assume maintenance costs which would necessitate a by-law?

              Any clues by anyone out there would be appreciated.

              #13178
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                Believe it or not, you have the upper hand.  Get a couple of estate agents to estimate how much the loft-grab neighbour has improved the value of his home and then tell him you want:
                a) that amount in payment for annexing common property;
                b) agreement to a special resolution indemnifying the Owners Coproation against any future repairs or maintenance;
                c) repayment of all costs involved in drawing up the agreements and holding the EGM required to pass them.

                If he refuses any of the above get your Executive Committee to issue a Notice To Comply telling him he has 30 days to remove the ducting and return the common property loft to its original state.

                Be prepared to negotiate on the price but not on the principle – people can’t just grab common property for their own use, even if it’s not being used for any other purpose.  Also CTTT adjudicators can order owners to agree to an Exclusive Use By-law covering this if they refuse to do so.

                Also, the money goes to the Owners Corporation (not the owners). 

                Under an exclusive use by-law,the air-con owner would be granted the exclusive use of that space for the purposes of the air-con installation provided they agreed to its maintenance and the the OC has access to the space and can use it for any other purposes they may require.

                This would still be OC space and not necessarily added to his title.

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                #13183
                ElevenSeven
                Flatchatter
                Chat-starter

                  Thank you Jimmy T – very sound advice.

                  #13196
                  ElevenSeven
                  Flatchatter
                  Chat-starter

                    Jimmy T 's scenario is based on the logical assumption that the unit holder would want to keep the space as common property. I always like to have a Plan B – as the cliche goes – and this person that has installed the air-con isn't your average logical punter – so,what is the situation if he wants to add the space to his title?

                    #13198
                    Jimmy-T
                    Keymaster

                      Errr… no, not quite: my view is based on the fact that the unit holder can't just do what he or she wants with common property so they don't get to demand anything.

                      But, yes, it's good to have a Plan B and if the Owner wants to add this to their holding, they would have to pay even more to the Owners Corporation (and that's based on a legal precedent established in the Supreme Court) as well as pay for all the legals and for the Unit Entitlements to be reassessed.

                      Let's be absolutely clear, the owner in this situation has no “right” to annex Common Property and has breached Strata law and the building's by-laws by going ahead and doing what they want with the loft space.

                      So even if the Executive Committee was compliant and let them away with it, all it takes is for one owner to go, “hang on, we've been dudded, here!” and the whole mess would end up at the CTTT.

                      Maybe the owners didn't realise they couldn't just install air-con above their unit – but ignorance is no defence, not even in Strata law.

                      The most important thing is for the Owners Corporation to establish that the owner is responsible for the upkeep of the installation – otherwise subsequent owners can legitimately demand that the OC maintains and repairs their air-con. 

                      The OC also needs to establish that they have access to the roof space for their own needs and that the owner pays something for a) the privilege of using common areas for their own purposes and b) the hassle they have caused.

                      And if they want to own the space, they had better get the cheque book out again.

                      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                      #13200
                      ElevenSeven
                      Flatchatter
                      Chat-starter

                        Thanks again Jimmy T – your advice is much appreciated.

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