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    awinner
    Flatchatter

      I live in a strata of 16 units unfortunately there are only 2 active owners in the strata. Myself and the orginal developer who still owns 5 of the units, as a consequence the owner of the 5 units runs the whole show.

       

      At our recent agm as usual only myself and the majority owner were present. The other owner wanted the bill for replacing a hot water system in one of his units paid which the strata manager had refused to pay. 7 of the 16 units are townhouses and have an individual hws the others are on a single hws. The strata manager advised that the cost was an owner cost and not an admin or sinking fund responsibility.The common hws system is an OC responsiblity.

       

      The other owners logic is that because the townhouses contribute towards the common hws, all the owners should also contribute to the cost of replacing his hws.

      The other owner asked that it be put to a vote of owners and voted to pay the bill.

       

      Is this legal?

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    • #14427
      Billen Ben
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        Hi awinner
        Based on what you write i would agree with the strata manager (SM) that the stand alone hws in a townhouse is the owners problem if an issue arises.

        My initiate feeling when i read the post was that the motion to have the OC pay for the owners hws seems out of order as the responsibility lies with the owner of the town house, not the OC, but i then felt the owner with the 5 units was probably the Chair of the AGM so ruling the motion out of order was not in his interest.

        In fact if he was ethical he probably should have excluded himself from voting given he was going to derive “financial benefit” from the motion if it passed; in that case there would have been one vote against (you), none for and 5 abstaining; motion lost.

        Is it legal ??? I am more inclined to ask can he get away with it.
        It is bogus at best and is a matter that could easily be destine for CTTT if you and he are the only owners involved in the running of the OC.

        You should seek to find out how the other owners feel about paying for his hot water service.

        Do you feel this owner with 5 units would pay 5/16 of someone else's stand alone hws if it went on the fritz? If you do not think so then you can use that in your argument to get others involved.

        You also need to ask yourself is this worth pursuing. You can pay 1/16 of the cost of this blokes new hws or you can spend $x trying to get an equitable outcome from an unreliable dispute resolution mechanism (Office of Fair Trading  & CTTT) and end up paying for both if things do not work out. I would like your chances of getting the resolution invalidated by CTTT but CTTT are not predictible so i really have no idea what would occur if they got involved.

        You will be out of pocket for going to OFT and CTTT even if they do determine the resolution was “illegal”.

        It sounds like this bloke has used his dominant position to look after himself and have the OC pay for an expense that is not genuinely the responsibility of the OC. That in itself should be enough to encourage other owners to give you a proxy in future to keep their levies lower.

        The question is do you want to pursue this matter or just have people tell you the other bloke has stuck the OC with an expense that was actually his.

        #14433
        awinner
        Flatchatter
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          Thanks for your reply Ben, I suppose i was looking for confirmation that the payment itself was irregular. After looking at the CTTT website i don't think that it is worth pursuing the matter based on time and cost.

          Unfortunately there are other things, the admin fund now has run a at a deficit for 2 years, last year a special levy was rejected to remedy this. We ran at a further deficit this year and he agreed to raise a special levy for half the deficit. We are also not keeping up with the recommended sinking fund.

           

          Out of the sixteen units only three are owner residents, I suspect this was not a situation to get into in the first place. I think considering the long term implications of the sinking fund my best bet is to sell before it becomes an big issue.

          #14434
          struggler
          Flatchatter

            I personally would look into the balances of the admin and sinking fund and find out what you can do to rectify this before selling.  No one wants to purchase a property in a complex that has no money in the bank.  They could be up for a huge special levy the day they move in!  Buyers like to know that there are sufficient funds for any upcoming repairs/maintenance as well as the unexpected.  Low funds in the bank could result in a low offer on your property!  Perhaps forget about the hot water system and pursue this instead.

            #14436
            Billen Ben
            Flatchatter

              Struggler is right on the money.

              If you do try to sell then any buyer who obtains a strata report should find that there are some financial issues with the SP. This could well lead to a potential buyer looking elsewhere or offering less.

              If the admin budget is going into deficit then money from the sinking fund must be getting used to cover the running costs of your SP. That money should be getting replaced.

              Questionable resolutions, poor financial position, poor compliance to the Act; it does not bode well.

              I see that you have a strata manager. I think you need to talk to the manager and let him/her know you are becoming aware of some issue that do not reflect well on his/her ability to properly manage and advise the SP. It could be time to look for new management.

              It sounds like the financial problems are easily fixed but it will cost the owners. The procedural and compliance issues are a lot harder to deal with.

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