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    Rae

      I live in Victoria and am seeking advice in regards to our strata management. And was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction.

      Firstly, the chairperson of our owner corp is also the manager at our strata. This means we (a few owners and committee members) seem to have no recourse to disagree with her or really get her to agree to general maintenance concerns.

      My property was damaged 3 months ago by water ingress caused by a concrete job on the common property. The response from the manager/ chairperson has been obstructive and it was only after threatening to go to vcat (2 months after the problem was reported) that she got quotes for a building inspector.

      There are other pressing maintenance concerns including drainage and major cracking in walkways. We have also queried having a security door installed at the front of the building to which she simply said no, no discussion.

      What steps can we take to change strata management? How many owners do we need on side? Can this be done without the chairperson?

       

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    • #22138
      kiwipaul
      Flatchatter

        You just need an ordinary motion passed at the next AGM or at a EGM before that stating that the Strata wish to terminate the current SM with xx days notice (check what notice is required in their contract).

        A simple majority of those voting is required (or if different lot entitlements a majority of entitlements).

        It might pay to get a replacement SM lined up with another motion to employ company xx on termination date of current SM.

        The only problem would be if the current SM has a long fixed term contract with penalties if early termination so check their contract

        #22139
        Sir Humphrey
        Strataguru

          Meanwhile, your chair is only one of the EC. Can’t the rest of the EC out-vote the chair and resolve to act on maintenance issues?

          #22140
          Rae

            Thanks for the replies. There are six in the committee, I know that three would vote the strata out. The chair has the casting vote. 

            The chair is an owner/ not occupier and has been around for 20 years. It may be difficult to get the other two committe members to vote against. 

            Can I call an egm? Do I state the grounds for the meeting? I have been keeping a detailed log which I could present at the egm??

            #22141
            kiwipaul
            Flatchatter

              Their is no casting vote each vote carries the same entitlement in committee. If a committee decision is 3 votes all the motion is lost and it doesn’t matter how the Chair voted

              The committee cannot remove the SM only the OC can do that by a simple majority vote.

              You need 25% of owners to request an EGM so if you can get 25% of owners to sign a simple request for an EGM it must happen.

              Once you have 25% of owners submit 2 motions to remove current SM and replace with your choice of SM with the EGM request or wait until AGM and submit said motion then.

              #22142
              Whale
              Flatchatter

                Rae – Whilst I wish that Strata Legislation was the same across all States & Territories, regrettably each seems to take whichever of those has the most recent Legislation, and then makes it their own by way of subtle changes that don’t always amount to improvements.

                Consequently, some of the responses to date from people in other States/Territories are procedurally (and legally) incorrect in Victoria, particularly so with with the vote of your rusted-on Committee Chair, who as you’ve stated does have a casting vote at both Committee and General Meetings under your State’s Legislation.

                Furthermore, there’s no point lobbying the other Committee Members about the removal of the Strata Manager, because as others have advised that can only be done by way of a simple majority vote at a General Meeting, and in order to have one specially convened for that purpose in circumstances where your Committee won’t, you need to to have a written nomination by ≥25% of your fellow Owners (determined by lot entitlement); a petition in lay terms.

                Once you have been nominated, you can call upon the Committee Secretary or, if delegated, the Strata Manager (SM) to convene a Special General Meeting to consider and vote upon Motions to terminate the current SM’s Contract of Appointment, and to engage another.

                As has been suggested in other posts, you and like-minded Owners will need to provide evidence in support of the Motion to terminate, have made substantial inquiries about a replacement SM sufficient to make a recommendation, and have thoroughly checked the specific termination procedures outlined in the current SM’s Contract of Appointment.

                If the Motion to terminate is passed (simply majority), it’s then that the procedures referred to above come into play, and your Owners Corporation must follow those carefully in order to ensure a smooth hand-over of records etc from the current SM to the new one; not always an easy task when one of the parties is disenfranchised.

                Should the Motion to terminate not receive majority support, then your only remaining avenue is to apply to the VCAT for “Orders of Termination”.

                #22143
                Jimmy-T
                Keymaster

                  @kiwipaul said:
                  Their is no casting vote each vote carries the same entitlement in committee. If a committee decision is 3 votes all the motion is lost and it doesn’t matter how the Chair voted.

                  As Whale has pointed out below, this is not the case in Victoria where the Chair DOES have a casting vote.

                  The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                  #22144
                  Jimmy-T
                  Keymaster

                    I would have thought your manager/chair may have fallen foul of section 122 of the Act where says they must not make use of their position to gai a personal advantage, directly or indirectly. Wouldn’t participation in a vote on whether or not to continue their contract contravene that rule?

                    This is what the Act says:

                    122. Duties of manager
                    (1) A manager—
                    (a) must act honestly and in good faith in the performance of the manager’s functions; and
                    (b) must exercise due care and diligence in the performance of the manager’s functions; and 
                    (c) must not make improper use of the manager’s position to gain, directly or  indirectly, an advantage personally or for any other person. 

                    Also, following up on Whale’s suggestion, Section 165 of the Act, which outlines the rulings that VCAT can make, includes the Tribunal’s power to revoke both the appointment of a chair and the appointment of a manager.

                    So I would be asking your chair to step out of the vote on whether or not her contract should be terminated and if she refuses to do so, and then uses her vote to consolidate her position, look at taking it straight to VCAT to have her removed from both roles.

                    In fact, just explaining to her that you have examined that option may persuade her to pull her head in.

                    The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                    #22145
                    Rae

                      Thanks JimmyT…this is very helpful. Our next AGM isn’t until next July. On these ground it seems we may be able to ask her to step out of the vote which would get rid of the issue of the casting vote. Do we have to table it prior to the AGM so it’s on the agenda or just called a vote in the general issues time at the end?

                      From my dealings with her she doesn’t like to lose and isn’t particularly pleasant to deal with. A few people have left the committee due to not wanting anything to do with her. 

                      On further investigations she has had an older woman in the building doing makeshift general maintenance around the place. My bet is that as an owner with a ‘rusted on’ tennant she would rather save the money than spend it as it doesn’t affect her generally as she doesn’t live in the building.

                      one more question…is she meant to bring bank statements to the AGM? All she brings is her typed up budget.

                      thanks again.

                      #22148
                      Sir Humphrey
                      Strataguru

                        @JimmyT said:

                        @kiwipaul said:
                        Their is no casting vote each vote carries the same entitlement in committee. If a committee decision is 3 votes all the motion is lost and it doesn’t matter how the Chair voted.

                        As Whale has pointed out below, this is not the case in Victoria where the Chair DOES have a casting vote.

                        Ditto in the ACT, the chair has a casting vote in both EC meetings and general meetings. 

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