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    Banging from roof is driving us bonkers!

     

    Can anyone suggest a solution to an ongoing problem? We purchased our apartment seven years ago and have been plagued by an intermittent loud banging/cracking sounds emanating from the concrete slab roof. Our apartment is located on the top floor of a three story building. This disturbing noise is ongoing, during the afternoon and again at night, at times loud enough to wake us from our sleep.

    I have continually raised this issue with body corporate members at AGMs and the executive committee without any sign of a resolution. At first I was told by the EC it was the foundations settling (but the building is 40+ years old). And then told “buyer beware” and “this is your problem living on the top floor”. I asked the strata management company if this issue had been previously reported and was told they don’t retain records longer than five years and portfolio manager is changed every year (no corporate memory). Terrific!

    My wife and I are at the end of our tether. I am a light sleeper and woken most nights (usually 3am by this alarming loud banging/ricocheting cracking sound bouncing across the ceiling. The adjoining apartment which is rented has seen two sets of tenants move out because of their concerns about the cracking noise. The owner then reduced the rent for new tenants to compensate for this disturbance. But still the owner’s corporation and EC members collude in their denial of this ongoing problem.

    What can we do?

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    Sir Humphrey
    Strataguru

      I think a more serious talk to the strata manager might be the next step. If you have only so far asked whether it has been previously reported, then there are some other questions to ask:

      Does the OC have an unequivocal statutory obligation to maintain the common property which includes the roof? (answer is yes).

      Who would be liable if the noises were symptoms of a serious structural defect and the roof were to collapse? (Answer should be that the OC (IE all owners) would be liable, and perhaps the managing agent as well if it was brought to their attention but they did not advise the EC appropriately)

      What if the noises were a consequence of something that could be easily fixed with some minor maintenance? (Answer: the EC could just get on with fixing it out of this year’s maintenance budget)

      How can the OC know if the cause is minor and easily fixed or serious and dangerous without an engineer’s report? (Answer: It can’t know for sure unless there is something really, really obvious, but even then you almost certainly want the OC to spend a few hundred dollars to get the advice on what the problem is and how to rectify it.)

      Do you (managing agent) recommend that the OC engage an engineer to advise, and can you arrange that? (The answer should be yes to both of those!)

      #24114

      Thank you for your response.

      I arranged a meeting with the strata manager to discuss this ongoing issue at their offices. I arrived on time for an agreed half hour meeting but was kept waiting for twenty minutes and then told the strata manager could only give me 10 minutes of his time… ho hum!

      During 2011 I was elected chair of the EC by default (be careful what you wish for) this was because no other OC member put up their hand. During this time I raised this ongoing issue with strata management and they arranged their nominated structural engineer to inspect the concrete slab roof. The engineer’s report stated “no evidence of structural damage” to the roof (2.2.3) and “There is no visible structural cracking, nor are there any visible signs that the reinforced concrete roof slab is not structurally sound” (3.1.3). The report also stated “The following suggestions could be investigated to act as heat transfer barriers to the concrete roof slab:

      1) Peddles installed over drainage cell and geo-textile fabric. Investigation needs to be preformed to ascertain whether the roof can withstand extra weight applied by such peddles:

      2) Synthetic turf applied to surface to act as a barrier to heat transfer;

      3) The installation of insulation foam.

      3.14 It is not possible for us to quantify the results of any of the above suggestions.” 

      As Chair of EC at this time, and in consultation with EC members I elected to explore the “insulation foam” option.

      Two quotes were received arranged by the strata managers; one quote which included five pages of documentation and samples of materials for a cost of $48k and the other with less detail and no material samples for $300K (ugh!)

      At the following AGM the report and quotes were presented to the OC members. Never before had I seen so many OC members in attendance. The motion was voted out of existence and so was I.

      After receiving verbal threats and intimidation by an OC members I decided to pull my head in for a time… until the banging, cracking sound became even more frequent, louder and unbearable, seriously disrupting our quality of life and other occupants of units on the same floor (bar one… an EC member). 

      Today, I received the email below;

       

      Dear Stella88 and committee members,

       

      It is important that all EC members are made aware that the subject matter, subject line, and references to “structural defect” in your email trail appear unproven and are not actually supported by the structural survey commissioned from XXX Consultants (“report”) and are therefore ambiguous. It should be clarified that there is no reported structural defect.

      Based on the Engineer’s on-site assessment of the presenting condition the report received from XXX Consultants dated 04 August 2011 states that there is “no evidence of structural damage” to the roof (2.2.3) and “There is no visible structural cracking, nor are there any visible signs that the reinforced concrete roof slab is not structurally sound” (3.1.3).

       

      The report also states that “As the noises are related to the nature of the construction and there is little that can be done to stop the noise from occurring.“.. .“The time when the noise occurs is consistent with times in the day where the materials are experiencing intense temperature changes. We believe the problem is a result of thermal expansion. Thermal expansion is when a material changes in volume as a result of a change in temperature. Concrete slabs incorporate slip joints to accommodate such movement.” and “that the roof slab is poured on “bondek”, which we believe could be adding to the noise issue. Bondek is made from steel, concrete and steel expand and contract at different rates when exposed to temperature changes.”

       

      If there was any suggestion of real danger to the structural integrity of the roof, or , to the unit block’s inhabitants the engineer would have reported and encouraged us to undertake any works required .

       

      Given the scope and cost of the work this issue should be considered robustly, rather than with “the utmost haste” to ensure all options are explored for the benefit of all owners and with surety that any works undertaken are guaranteed to rectify or reduce the issue and that expenditure is taken into consideration.

       

      Again, in regards to the noise emanating from the building roof I seek the committee’s instruction how you wish to proceed with this matter.

       

      Please forward me your preferred instructions by COB 23/10/15 for me to collate and report back to the committee.

       

      Kind regards,

      xxxxxx

      Portfolio Manager

       

      I believe we and other occupants of the top floor are being ‘stitched up’. Should I seek leave from the strata manager’s imposed deadline to seek expert legal advice about this, stressful, issue or bite the bullet and sell-up?

      Any further suggestions greatly appreciated.

      #24115
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        Take a section 162 complaint against the Owners Corporation for failure to maintain and repair common property.  Yes, I know you are taking action against yourself but you need to let NCAT decide if something needs to be done.

        Don’t let the “I’m Alright Jacks” bully you.  Make sure they know that their instransigence is likely to cost the OC even more than it should.

        By the way, pebbles are a simple and effective way of dissipating heat from roofs 

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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