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30/06/2012 at 11:35 pm #8225
I own an older style unit in Sydney. It’s a block of 12 in a Strata Block. Some time ago the building settled a little into its foundations. It may have been 20 plus years ago. It wasn’t much of a move but it has caused some cracks to the internal walls of my property. (The remedial builder told me this when he came to have a look at it). The cracks were always patched up over the years when painted. Recently I decided to renovate the unit and fix the walls up properly and wanted the walls fixed properly. I contacted the Body Corporate and after talking to the builder asked them to pay for it. The Strata Manager refused. I had to get it done quickly so I just had the job done. The Dept of Lands told me the BC was responsible for the integrity of the building so I should not have to pay. Do you agree? What can I do?
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01/07/2012 at 9:09 am #15792
The strata manager was wrong and there’s no way you should have to pay for their bad advice. This is one of thos e cases wher you give them two options – the hard way or the easy way.
The hard way is that you go to Fair Trading, the CTTT then court, if necessary, and get an order against the Owners Corp to pay for the propertion of the work that involved essential repairs to the walls.The easy way is that you sit down, possibly with a mediator, and agree to the amount they will pay. But the result at the end of the day will be the same – the OC has to pay and while they might argue that they should had had the opportunity to get quotes, you can say they did have the opportunity but the Strata Manager blocked it.
One other thing – I’d suggest to your neighbours that they start looking for another strata manager. The one you have doesn’t even seem to know the basics and you’d have to wonder what other mistakes they’re making.
The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
01/07/2012 at 8:48 pm #15797AnonymousJimmy is correct in that the OC under section 62 of the SSMA has a responsibility to upkeep the common property, however there are a few issues that will need to be addressed to bring about a resolution to all parties concerned, I see the following as the questions that need to be answered and resolved. However in placing these forward I want to firstly say that your issue can and should be resolved amicably between yourself and the rest of the owners which collectively are the Owners Coporation (OC) which out ranks your Strata Manager, so here we go.
1) As the unit Owner you would need to apply to the OC for permission to do any renovation that works proceeded to the Common Property. (As a general rule unit renovations without the OC consent are restricted to painting and replacement of floor covering, in regards to floor coverings this is restricted to same for same), if you have carried out modification or repairs to the common property without consent then the work may be required to be inspected and certified as being done in accordance with the BCA and in a workmanlike manner. ( it sounds like a big issue but don’t be concerned, on most occasions the work is OK or only needs minor extra works)
2). Of greater concern is that it would seem that the only repairs was to the cracks in the masonry walls, if this was the case then more than likely the cracks will reappear. If in fact the cause of the cracking is from the foundations moving then it is more then likely that the cause has not been repaired. So without full knowledge of the site I would say that the settlement issue may need to be considered. This is important to all Owners not just your lot.
3). If in fact the works you had done to the common property were required then the only real issue is whether the cost you are seeking to recover is reasonable in the eyes of both the OC and if the matter goes before the CTTT the Member. Again this can be easily resolved by having a Building Consult to advise if the cost is in line with Industry costing for the type of work undertaken.
4). Finally if the renovation was valued over $12,000.00 then your builder was required to take out Home Owners Warrenty Insurance, a copy of the insurance must be provided to the OC. If the policy was not taken out then this will be another issue to be resolved.
Closing:
The problem with contributing to the Flat Chat Forum is that I come up with issues that I know my company can resolve, but in advising same it can discredit the information so what I will simply say is that you should first seek a meeting with the executive committee and put the cards on the table. I am a great supporter of the many good Strata Law firms in the market these days, however I am not sure whether you or the OC seeking advice from a Solicitor is the best way to start moving this forward. Look around for Building Consultancy firms that have Mediation services (including my company Integrated Consulting) and seek a fee agreement to act as an facilitator in accessing the works undertaken as well the foundation issue and to be the go between the Unit Owner and the OC. The biggest problem in resolving these types of issues from experience is having someone who is independent and impartial that both parties can have trust in their impartiality and expertise. It would be best to meet with the executive committee first so as you can both have input into the selection of the expert and facilitator.
If unfortunately you can’t gain the OC participation then give us a call and we can send you a list of Strata Lawyers. But remember that once you go down the legal path the other issues I have mentioned will no doubt be raised and answers required.
Hope this is of some assistance.
Chris Mo’ane AIAMA, MASBC- CPC
GMD Integrated Consultancy Group01/07/2012 at 10:28 pm #15799In relation to Home Warranty Insurance that is insurance that benefits the home owner, i.e the lot owner, and is required for contracts over a certain amount under the Home Building Act. The Owners Corporation is not a party to that contract and there is no requirement that they be given a copy. The rest of that advice is a bit confusing, when the real issue seems to be – is the OC responsible for issues attributable to defects in the common property?
19/07/2012 at 3:33 pm #15925Thanks for all your comments. Much appreciated.
I would like to point out I did advise the Body Corporate through the Strata Manager that the work needed to be done. He sent me the remedial builder to quote and diagnose the problem and then the builder forwarded his quote to the Strata Manager not me advising the problem. The Strata Manager then sent on the quote to me. The cost of the work is around $2,500. The builder did have building insurance to cover the work which I sighted, and I signed the contract and paid the deposit. The final bill was also sent to the BC but I paid it after it was forwarded to me because the Strata Manager would not pay it. The builder sent a further email to the Strata Manager advising him that the work was related to the integrity of the building. The Strata Manager has now told me I have to wait for the AGM in Feb next year for the Body Corporate to decided whether they will pay for the work.. but no guarantees.
20/07/2012 at 10:00 am #15931Strata Manager shouldn’t be making these decisions. He works for the owners and they have the final say. SM can advise owners of the law regarding issues (assuming he knows which it appears he doesn’t).
I’m assuming cost is above the OC limit so all owners have to vote on issue. If cost is within OC limit OC can decide the issue.
Surely their is some mechanism to vote on issues outside of the AGM (in QLD we hold Flying motions that are postal vote or email votes by committee or all owners).
Agree with other posters this is BC cost NOT yours.
20/07/2012 at 5:24 pm #15934Kiwipaul said:
Strata Manager shouldn’t be making these decisions. He works for the owners and they have the final say. SM can advise owners of the law regarding issues (assuming he knows which it appears he doesn’t).
Once again, it depends on what powers have been delegated to the Strata Manager. You can’t assume that the strata Manager hasn’t been given full permission to make these decisions on behalf of the Owners Corp. You don’t know this unless you have seen the contract between the SM and the Owners Corp and any related decisions that have been made at AGMs.
However, you are right in so far as the Strata Manager shouldn’t have made the decision to do nothing. There is no question that the Owners Corp not only has responsibility for Common Property repairs but they have a legally enforceable duty to carry them out, regardless of any other considerations (such as defect claims and the like).
If Danny54 wants to press the case he can take it to the CTTT who will more than likely order the work to be done..
The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
21/09/2012 at 1:09 pm #16588Hello
I have just been advised that the OC has refused to attend mediation and that even if I go to the adjudication stage they cannot force the OC to pay me back the money I have spent. They say I have to go to court to recover the money.
Also because there have been structural renos to the unit above me without giving me or the local council notice I could report it to the Council.
The OC are being obstinate and hope I will just give up now. I am not a member of the EC can I call a meeting? Or perhaps you can suggest something else?
Thanks
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