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    Hi everyone,

    I’m not sure if this is the right place to post my questions/concerns as I’m new here.

     

    I purchased Unit 3 of an 8 Unit complex in late 2011. At the time, Unit 1 (2 floors beneath me) was empty however was soon purchased in December 2011 and the owner’s son moved in shortly thereafter. This is when the problems began.

     

    During the 6 months that I lived there, I witnessed the following:

    • Multiple parties during weeknights as well as weekends
    • Loud music banging until 4am in the morning on both weeknights as well as weekends
    • Multiple vehicles parked in common area blocking the garages of Units 2, 3, and 4 

    At my first AGM in 2012, I raised this issue along with 2 other owners. We were told by owner of Unit 1 that he would tell his son to stop the parties so late and stop parking in front of our garages however the problem wasn’t just his son but his many friends who would often come over as well.

    I moved out in May 2012 as this is an investment property and my tenants moved in during June 2012.

     

    From June 2012 until now (ongoing), the problems have escalated exponentially and the following has occurred:

    • Multiple parties continuing during weeknights and weekends
    • Loud music continuously being played until 4am
    • Bottles being thrown over Unit 1’s courtyard fence onto common footpath and public footpath
    • Multiple vehicles continuously parked blocking the garages of Units 2, 3, and 4
    • Graffiti on common property done by the owner’s son and his friends
    • Urinating on other owners and visitors vehicles
    • Releasing the air out of other owners’ and visitors’ vehicles
    • Jumping from the balcony of Unit 1 across to the adjacent Unit 4
    • Rubbish dumpling on common property

    The Strata management has issued multiple letters of warning and notices of breaches of By-Laws 1, 2, 3, 8 and 9 to Unit 1 even threatening to evict the tenant however the owner (his father) simply wrote back stating that it is illegal for strata management to evict the tenant if the tenant’s father is the actual owner of the property.

    The owners voted as a majority to take the owner of Unit 1 to the CTTT tribunal however in my personal opinion, all they can do is fine the owner who will just pay through his deep-set pockets. No matter how much the other owners stress to Unit 1 that his son’s actions are causing all of us grief and making us lose money (since our tenants are all threatening to end their leases), the father refuses to take our word and simply states “My boy went to Knox high school. He’s a private school trained good boy”.

    I am so stressed out I don’t know what else we (the owners) can do now. Our goal is not to punish or take revenge, but rather we just want the problems to stop, or the son to move out. The son is already on the register of “do not rent out” for Real Estate agents so he is unable to find a place elsewhere unless his parents buy him another property. He is also unemployed, as are all of his friends.

    I’m thinking of coordinating a meeting with all the parties involved (owners, strata, real estate agents) and go to the police with all of our collected evidence including AGM minutes so that next time an issue occurs, the police will have background context and take our matter more seriously.

    Has anyone dealt with or resolved these sorts of issues? Would the Media be interested in this sort of problem?? I’m really at a complete loss of what to do. Our last resort is to sell but we’d be making a huge loss.

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    Jimmy-T
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      How considerate of this scumbag father to dump his delinquent son on other people. There is no way you should have to put up with this behaviour and the good news is that you can stop it.

      First thing is to forget Notices To Comply – you want multiple orders from the CTTT that the son and his friends have to abide by the by-laws.  Failure to do that will result in fines of up to $5500 a pop – see how deep daddy’s pockets are then.

      Then you want to go to your district court to get a Noise Abatement Order.  This has nothing to do with strata law.  It is a Court order and failure to abide by it means sonny-boy can be arrested for committing a criminal offence – breaching a court order.  

      Interestingly, you can also take a Noise Abatement Order out against the father as there has been a precedent that, as owner of the premises and being in a position to stop the noise, he is responsible too.

      So first of all gather all the evidence you can, including pictures, recordings, paperwork and properly witnessed statements from other neighbours.  Then make applications both for CTTT orders and Noise Abatement orders.

      For the explanation of how to get CTTT orders, go here  and scroll down to CTTT ORDERS.

      For information on how to get a Noise Abatement Order, go HERE and/or download THIS pamphlet.

      Regarding the media – I assume by that you mean Today Tonight or A Current Affair. They would love a story like this but be aware that if you press that button, they will expect you and at least one of your neighbours to front up on camera to tell your story.  If you aren’t up for that, I wouldn’t bother. If you are, let me know and I will unleash the hounds.

       

      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
      #18261

      Thank you so much for the advice!

      I am currently collecting all the photos/videos/paperwork necessary. I am also gathering consent from the other owners to be interviewed formally by A Current Affair. They returned my call this morning advising they are definitely interested in my story as long as:

      1. All the owners are willing to be formally interviewed

      2. We send in all the hard proof evidence

      In the meantime, I will look into the Noise Abatement Order and see what it can do for us!

      Thank you so much

       

      p.s. did I mention the irony that the owner of Unit 1 actualy owns a Real Estate agency of his own in the local area…and to think someone as professional as him is allowing his own son to impede other peoples lives.

      #18262
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        ACA are going to love doorstepping this guy at his Real Estate office.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #18290

        Update: its been difficult for the other owners to take videos recently because whenever they attempt to do so either from their balcony or from the common areas such as in front of garages, Unit 1’s son and his friends stare them down and threaten with their body language and words such as “yeah? think you’re going to record us? do it we dare you” and start to walk towards them so they get scared.

        How do we collate hard evidence for the media if we’re constantly fear leaving our units???

        #18299
        Paul2000
        Flatchatter

          Nobody should have to put up with this level of abuse and threats. It sounds to me that you have sufficient evidence to go to the police and make a claim of harrassment.

          Also look here   https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/pollution/noise.htm

          Noise pollution can be reported to your local council and to the Police assistance line on 131 444.

          See also Jimmy’s note re Noise Abatement orders.

          Every time one of you receives a threat immediately report it and every time that there is a party going on into the night report it. This way you will protect yourself because these people are mindless bullies and you have to stand up to them. Keep a diary of every single event as you may one day have to go to court over this and then you will be well prepared.

          Good luck

          #18315

          Thanks for the tip about contacting Council – I’ve just done so this week and now waiting on Hornsby council to advise whether we have enough to go on to issue a noise abatement order. Pity they won’t be able to do anything else about blocking our garages or creating a threatening environment to live in.

          The owners/other tenants have consolidated a spreadsheet of incidents/complaints against Unit 1 and since 1 April 2012, we now have over 300+ separate incidents/complaints!!

          We are going to call the police each and every time they break the law but I don’t know if that’ll stop them…

          #18319
          ccbaxter
          Flatchatter

            This is a terrible situation and we had a similar one where we used to live many years ago. I suggest a whip round amongst all concerned residents to hire a reputable (or maybe not so reputable if you can see what I mean) security firm for a short stint to ‘nip this is the bud’ before your lives are totally ruined.

            It’s amazing how quickly miscreants will fall into line once a couple of big blokes knock on their door with nightsticks in their belt asking ‘if everything’s OK’ or something helpful and positive along those lines.

            Do it soon. My family and I suffered something akin to post traumatic stress for a long time after our problem was sorted out by a ‘security firm’.

            #18320

            Update: I’ve spoken to my brother who works in the AFP and he has suggested that unfortunately, the police does not have much power in these circumstances especially when Unit 1’s occupant is the Owner’s son therefore Strata cannot evict nor can the police for that matter.

            I did try to speak to the occupant and his “mates” were present whilst I was doing so and all they did was just laugh and suggest that they try to break the record of the 300+ complaints over the last year or so – very helpful indeed.

            I think the only way out is for all the owners to sell and just lose their investments…there’s no other way out!

            This anzac long weekend will be a good test to see how bad the noise/partying/music/mess/garage blocking/chaos gets. 

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