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    Long-time lurker looking for some advice from fellow strata dwellers… I live in a complex of three townhouses – the first unit has it's own driveway so units 2 (me) and 3 (neighbours) share a common property driveway and we both have a single lock-up garage. The issue is my neighbours continually park one/two/three 4WDs (and sometimes their boat) on the driveway in front of their garage and at the end of the driveway. The problem this presents for me is that I can usually manage to get my car into the garage but I cannot reverse out of my garage with these vehicles parked on the driveway. It is a narrow driveway and although I think I am a good driver I cannot manage to do a 90 degree right-angle turn, which is the only way to get out with the 4WDs parked on the common property – where they park is the turning circle for my access.  Not only do they park on the common property but they permit visitors to park at their front door as well – I have come home to find three, four or five cars parked on the driveway – which means I end up parking on the footpath or neighbouring streets as parking is at a premium in my area. Only once in frustration did I park at my front door which blocked their access in and out of the property – when they wanted to go out they reversed up to my car and blew their horn until I came outside – when I went outside and explained that the only reason I was parked there was because they were parked on the driveway and I couldn't get into my garage I was told to **** off. I have repeatedly contacted the Strata Manager who has done little and the problem continues – the issue is that I live in a unit owned by my mother and my neighbour lives in a unit owned by her mother – he doesn't want to get involved . To protect myself I have taken to keeping a record in a diary and taking photos of the offending vehicles (I never thought I would become that type of neighbour) but to date there has been little change in this behaviour – the BC even agreed to allow the owner of the unit to install a gate so that the occupiers could park their second car within the backyard of their property.  This was agreed to as one of the occupiers claimed she was only parking on the common property because she didn't want to park on the street – as soon as permission was granted and the gate installed they bought a HUGE boat which they now keep in the backyard and they started parking on the drive again.  I am a nurse and work shiftwork so you can imagine the dramas I have trying to get them to move their cars at all hours of the day and night (especially when on call).  All I want is free access to and from my property – it's not too much to ask and I am becoming very frustrated that my neighbours lifestyle (a small unit with one garage but they have three vehicles and a large boat) impacting on my enjoyment of the property I pay rent for each and every week…. Any advice ???CryCryCry

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  • #14050
    struggler
    Flatchatter

      So this parking offender is an owner?  And yourself and the other resident rent from your mothers?

      It sound to me like a case of “I'm an owner so I can do what I like but you can't” syndrome.  This has occurred in my complex on occasion.  Owners have seriously thought that the by-laws only applied to those who rent and owners did not have to abide by them because they own the place!  Therefore owners could do what they like and renters had to put up with it.  And we are talking about educated people here!  

      And we also have residents who think that if the visitors parking is full (alot of the time with other residents) its OK for them to let their visitors park in front of their garages because a visitors is not a resident and therefore they are not doing anything wrong (even if other residents cannot get past, park in their garages etc).  And we do not have a problem with street parking here!  And yet………….

      Keep taking photos and a diary of offences.  If your Mum is the owner perhaps you could get her to take the matter further?  You cannot live like that.  And no one else should have to either.  They cannot do what they want.  If you want to park 4 cars at your front door, buy a house and concrete the front lawn.

      #14052
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        Either your mother or you (as tenant) can apply to Fair Trading for mediation (an obligatory precursor to action at the CTTT).  Then you ask for them to be issued with a Notice to Comply with the by-law (that I assume you have) preventing them from parking on common property. If they breach the NTC they can be fined.

        You might want to think about calling council about the change of use of the backyard into a parking area (or marina, by the sound of it).

        But before all that, if you think it's worth it, you can have a quiet chat with them about what your options are and explain how their behaviour will eventually lead to no one being able to park on common property ever.  It's entirely up to them.  What they do will determine what happens next becasue all you are asking is that your rights as a resident be acknowledged and respected.

        Or, if you think they will be abusive,  you could get a lawyer to send them a letter giving them one more chance to behave (and that means allowing you clear and free access to your garage .. no excuses and no gradual return to the situation as it is now).

        But the truth of the matter is that you could go right ahead immediately and sort them out once and for all – but be prepared for some sort of backlash as these people sound like a bunch of selfish yahoos.

        Fair Trading are on 13 32 20, mediation is explained HERE and the form applying for mediation is HERE.   Oh, and your strata manager needs to at least explain why they have done nothing.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #14057

        Thanks for the suggestions… This morning I approached one of the residents (all three units in the complex are rented – no owners are residents) and tried to politely explain the problem.  I was told that they “own the place” and can do what they like – when I pointed out that actually his mother-in-law was the owner and irrespective of that fact all residents (whether owners or tenants) have to comply with the strata by-laws – which in this case means not parking on the common property – I was told to get ****ed… I was then told that they had photos of me parking on the common property for “hours” – which I denied and when I asked to see these photos I was told that I had been parking on the driveway all week.  The only problem with this was that when I was supposedly parking on the driveway I was actually at work and my car (which was allegedly parked on the common property) was actually parked in the hospital staff car park…  I explained to him that if he has photos why hasn't he sent them to the strata manager – I am quite prepared to provide proof that I was at work at the time etc – he then slammed the door in my face.  Truthfully, the only photos he could have of me parking anywhere (except my garage) for hours is on the street outside the units because I cannot access my garage…. I know how disruptive this type of behaviour is to my lifestyle – I'm not the kind of person to do this to my fellow neighbours…

        I have contacted the strata manager again this morning as I couldn't get out of my garage (three 4WDs blocking me in) and I had to call a cab to get me to work on time – still waiting for him to return my call but I was told by the receptionist that I have no right to speak to him as I'm only a tenant… Think I will be contacting Fair Trading and a solicitor when I get home from work this afternoon…

        #14063
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster

          Well, you tried to do the right thing.  Go for it! And tell your nasty (and very stupid neighbour) that we are watching.

          You could also tell the strata manager's secretary that you have the same rights as an owner when it comes to by-laws and she has no right to treat you like a second-class citizen. 

          By the way, the old “I'm an owner so I can do what I like” line is getting a bit tired these days.  It's not true now and it never has been.

          Here's a rejoinder: “If you don't like restrictions, you're free to go and live in a house. Try parking in your neighbours driveway then.”

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #14176
          Graham
          Flatchatter

            I have a variation on the above problem. I live in a 4 townhouse complex, all owner-occupied. Each has its own carspace. Two of the owners have country relatives who visit from time to time, staying with the respective owners for  a week or more. During their stay the visitor takes over the single visitor car parking space, sometimes leaving their car there for days and nights on end. I assume that this arrangement has been in place for many years. My complaints have been met with, “I'm a visitor.” or “It's hardly ever used, so why not?” I suppose that it's better than being told to 'f…off'

             

            During one of these extended visits my visitors are forced to park elsewhere on the common propertyy or in the street.  As we're only a small community and I like to keep the peace I'm reluctant to take this any further but it's bloody annoying. There's no point my complaining to the OC (I'm the chairman of the OC). What can I do about it?

            #14177
            struggler
            Flatchatter

              I seem to recall our Strata Manager telling us that a visitor can use the space for 24 hours then move on.  I need to get clarification on this timing though as we have had quite a few “visitors” parking for days on end, not moving the car once and as our visitors spots are grass, causing damage.  We also have had one resident who apparently “minded” his friends car whilst this friend when on holidays, parking it in the visitors spot for a week.

              Ask your SM if there is, within the bylaws (model or otherwise) something about this 24 hour period.  In the past, our complex has been quite relaxed about this rule as we also have residents who have regular visitors from interstate, usually only staying a couple of days, not the better part of a week or more.  But give them an inch….. So once again, the actions of a few will affect all.

              #14181
              Boronia
              Flatchatter

                I guess with only one visitor parking spot, whenever there are two visitors at the same time, one is going to have to park somewhere else, even if the first is only there for a couple of hours.

                Restrictions on parking on common property in the model by-laws seem to only apply to “owners or occupiers of a lot”; what stops others from parking anywhere?

                #14186
                Jimmy-T
                Keymaster

                  You need to establish under a by-law that there are time limits for the visitors parking.  For example, you could limit it to four hours maximum during the day and/or overnight from 8 pm to 8 am … whatever suits the circumstances of your building.

                  Owners and tenants are normally responsible for the actions of their visitors under standard by-laws so restrictions and notices to comply would apply to them too.

                  A problem arises when non-residents who are not bona fide visitors use visitors parking.

                  The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                  #14203

                  An effective visitors parking by-law will define who is a visitor and provide for maximum hours for parking.

                  If people see powerful and effective sanctions in the by-laws, then they will be more likely to observe them. If the by-laws have to be enforced, then these powers will be effective and protect the owners corporation and its executive committee against any liability for unlawful use of the motor vehicle in having it dealt with in accordance with the by-law.

                  For an information sheet on visitor parking by-laws and unauthorised parking on common property, please email simone@teyslawyers.com.au

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                  #15336

                  Just thought you might be interested in an update – On going issues with access to my property over the past six months however I awoke over the Easter break to find the driveway blocked again with 4WD vehicles however this time they had trailers attached to them with furniture being loaded in…. Still not sure what is going on but have a suspicion that I might be getting new neighbours in the very near future…. Also found out that my neighbours have been running a business out of the townhouse for the past couple of years (not sure if they had the necessary permission from the authorities but they certainly didn’t let the body corporate know)…. Despite having little to no action out of the strata manager for the 5 1/2 years I have been putting up with their cars and boat being parked on the driveway hopefully the end is in sight….I am hoping the townhouse will be sold (I’m currently looking for an investment property)…


                  @ozgirl2291
                  said:

                  Long-time lurker looking for some advice from fellow strata dwellers… I live in a complex of three townhouses – the first unit has it’s own driveway so units 2 (me) and 3 (neighbours) share a common property driveway and we both have a single lock-up garage. The issue is my neighbours continually park one/two/three 4WDs (and sometimes their boat) on the driveway in front of their garage and at the end of the driveway. The problem this presents for me is that I can usually manage to get my car into the garage but I cannot reverse out of my garage with these vehicles parked on the driveway. It is a narrow driveway and although I think I am a good driver I cannot manage to do a 90 degree right-angle turn, which is the only way to get out with the 4WDs parked on the common property – where they park is the turning circle for my access.  Not only do they park on the common property but they permit visitors to park at their front door as well – I have come home to find three, four or five cars parked on the driveway – which means I end up parking on the footpath or neighbouring streets as parking is at a premium in my area. Only once in frustration did I park at my front door which blocked their access in and out of the property – when they wanted to go out they reversed up to my car and blew their horn until I came outside – when I went outside and explained that the only reason I was parked there was because they were parked on the driveway and I couldn’t get into my garage I was told to **** off. I have repeatedly contacted the Strata Manager who has done little and the problem continues – the issue is that I live in a unit owned by my mother and my neighbour lives in a unit owned by her mother – he doesn’t want to get involved . To protect myself I have taken to keeping a record in a diary and taking photos of the offending vehicles (I never thought I would become that type of neighbour) but to date there has been little change in this behaviour – the BC even agreed to allow the owner of the unit to install a gate so that the occupiers could park their second car within the backyard of their property.  This was agreed to as one of the occupiers claimed she was only parking on the common property because she didn’t want to park on the street – as soon as permission was granted and the gate installed they bought a HUGE boat which they now keep in the backyard and they started parking on the drive again.  I am a nurse and work shiftwork so you can imagine the dramas I have trying to get them to move their cars at all hours of the day and night (especially when on call).  All I want is free access to and from my property – it’s not too much to ask and I am becoming very frustrated that my neighbours lifestyle (a small unit with one garage but they have three vehicles and a large boat) impacting on my enjoyment of the property I pay rent for each and every week…. Any advice ???CryCryCry

                  #18439

                  I know you don’t want it to get nasty, replacing tyres – especially in 4WD’s is really expensive!  Put some nails down….

                  #18922

                  I have had a similar issue.  My advice is to make it THEIR problem as well by parking them in at every opportunity – this will be effective in odd hours – if they don’t answer the door, you can call the Police to knock on their door for you – they will tell you it is out of their jurisdiction being a strata issue BUT they can intervene on the basis that the situation could escalate into some sort of altercation if not resolved which then becomes their issue .  You wrote you have parked them in but were abused when you explained why.  Keep doing it and when they honk their horn for you to move your car, take your time.  Then there are a couple of ways you can go about it.  Either don’t talk to them when you are moving your car (either outright ignore them or pretend you are on the phone) or take a dictaphone with you and if they abuse you, say calmly “I am recording this”.  However, if you think this will escalate their abuse, you CAN record them discretely, even though people say you cannot record someone’s voice without their permission, you CAN do this, you just may not be able to use the evidence in court, although this may be possible as I have been in a court hearing where the Magistrate was willing to listen to my recordings of my stata plan neighbour verbally abusing me.  If you want to stop the verbal abuse, show them they are being recorded but if you want to use it as evidence, it is up to you if you want to disclose the recording.  In my case, showing the dictaphone shut them up.  All they would then say is “You can’t record my voice.”  But I can and did and was allowed to use this.  The worst thing you can do is give up your right to park/access your garage as it will get worse.

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