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    JC
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      Note 1(b) on the Proxy form states that ‘a proxy is not authorised to vote on a matter so as to confer a pecuniary or other benefit on the proxy, if the proxy is a … or on-site residential property manager’.

      The Sec of our EC is a non-owner real estate agent with proxy of an absentee owner and the proxy recently voted on the submission of a DA to Council to legalise short term rentals in the building which they are currently managing illegally through their agency.

      Question: how significant is the ‘on-site’ part of Note 1(b), the real estate agency office is approximately 30m from our building – is this ‘on-site’ enough?  Surely the fact that they are residential property managers, highly influential on the EC (Sec), non owners, with a pecuniary interest in the outcome of their vote is enough to define a significant conflict of interest?

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    • #24097
      Jimmy-T
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        I think you are clutching at the wrong straws here. This rental agent is not a property manager by any accepted definition in relation to proxy votes and wouldn’t be even if his office was in your lobby.

        Firstly, do you have a by-law banning short term lets? If so, that makes the following a lot easier.

        If you have an existing problem with short-term lets, then you need to pursue that through your strata manager, Fair Trading, the Tribunal and your local council.

        Meanwhile you should canvass the owner-occupiers of the block to approach the council as a group to make it clear that the law-abiding members of the community who actually live there do not agree to to approach by absentee investors who have hijacked the owners corporation.

        You could even make a submission to NCAT (the Tribunal) to have a strata manager appointed to take over from the EC.  Or you could ask for orders for the creation or enforcement of by-laws restricting lets.

        Finally, if this rental agent is already managing illegal short-term lets, then you should complain to Fair Trading.  By the way, a recent ruling by the Land and Environment Court said that short-term lets are not covered by the Residential Tenancies Act.  So if this agent is promoting short term lets in a residential-only building he is breaking the law.

        Illegal short-term lets are a cancer in strata. Hit them with everything you’ve got.  Best of luck

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #24098
        JC
        Flatchatter
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          Thanks.  I’m interested in your comment that a rental agent – (in our case real estate agent), advertising and renting apartments on behalf of owners, is not a property manager.  What then is a property manager?

          And, yes, this is a short term rental situation where these agents are acting without Council consent (but no by-law).

          Regards JC

          #24102
          Whale
          Flatchatter

            JC – notwithstanding advisory notations on the prescribed Proxy Form the relevant section of the NSW Strata Schemes Management Act is as follows:

            (7A) Other limits on exercise of proxy – A vote by a proxy who is a caretaker, an on-site residential property manager, or a strata managing agent is invalid if it would obtain or assist in obtaining a pecuniary interest for, or confer or assist in conferring any other material benefit on, the proxy.

            So as Jimmy advised, the activities of a local real estate agent who manages the short-term letting of some Units in your Plan is not captured by the provisions of Clause 7A (above), that relates to an on-site property manager who occupies part of the common property (e.g. a desk in the foyer) and who is engaged under a formal agreement by the Owners Corporation (O/C), not by its individual Owners.

            That said, the submission by the O/C of a Development Application to the local Council would not be approved unless its Local Environment Plan enabled short-term letting to be permitted, and if as you seem to suggest that permission could be granted, then in addition to you and like-minded Owners immediately initiating the actions that Jimmy suggested, your O/C could still vote to Register a Special By-Law that among other things could prescribe how short-term lets must be “managed”, such as by restricting the numbers of occupants in Units, on-site parking, times of arrivals/departures, security access, and any number of similar provisions that, whilst not preventing short-term lets in contravention a Council consent, could well serve to actively discourage (if you get my drift) that type of occupancy.

            You’ll need 75% of those Owners voting at a General Meeting (including by proxy) to pass such a Special By-Law, so best get started with lobbying. 

            #24119
            JC
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              Hi Whale, Thanks for the suggestion re an appropriate by-law. We have the situation being considered by Fair trading and Council, but my impression is this could take a long time.

              On more commercial committees and boards there are strict operational procedures (rules) governing voting on issues where there is a conflict of interest. In the commercial world these are very carefully considered and the implications of ignoring them can be serious.

              How can a real estate agent making a living from short term renting who also happens to be the EC Secretary vote (with proxy because they don’t own or live in the building) on an issue such as applying to Council for a DA (using our funds) to legalise the short term renting they are financially benefiting from.  In the commercial world they would be in jail.

              Are there any options for stopping these real estate agents from thumbing their nose at the law and continuing their illegal activity (as already defined by Council).  Any suggestions other than my own legal action would be appreciated.

              Regards
              jc

              #24120
              Whale
              Flatchatter

                JC – the Rental Agent is a Member of your Plan’s Executive Committee (E/C) because he was nominated, seconded, and elected by a majority of those who were entitled to vote at the last Annual General Meeting (AGM), and then elected Secretary at the following Meeting of the new E/C.

                You mentioned in your first post that this individual exercised an Owner’s proxy to vote on the submission of a Development Application, but that’s only one vote, so a majority of the others who were present at what I assume was a General Meeting (because there a no votes by proxy at E/C Meetings) must have voted similarly.

                So it’s not the Rental Agent alone who’s to blame (if any is to be apportioned) for the submission of the DA, but rather it’s the Owner who seconded his nomination and the majority of Owners who then elected him to the E/C.

                You and like-minded Owners could correct that situation at the next AGM, but in my opinion there’s nothing additional to the actions that you or your Owners Corporation is taking with the Department of Fair Trading, with Council, and via a Special By-Law that may be reasonably taken, as under the provisions of the NSW Property, Stock, and Busines Agents Act that governs their activities, neither of you is a “client” of the Rental Agent and so you have no ability to complain.

                #24134
                Whale
                Flatchatter

                  JC – you’ll probably be happy with these provisions of the NSW Strata Schemes Management Bill (2015) concerning the composition of Strata Committees (the new name for Executive Committees); the Bill was passed yesterday with a proposed commencement date of mid 2016.

                  32 Persons who are not eligible to be appointed or elected to strata committee

                  (1) The following persons are not eligible for appointment or election to a strata committee or to act as members of a strata committee unless they are also the owners of lots in the strata scheme:

                  (a) the building manager for the strata scheme,

                  (b) a person who acts as an agent for the leasing of a lot or lots in the strata scheme to tenants,

                   

                   
                  #24140
                  JC
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                    Hi Whale,

                    I have to say that’s the best news I’ve had in a long time – it’s comforting to think that legislators actually take into account the morality of individual’s actions. 

                    Do you know if there is a timetable for the bill becoming law? If it is mid 2016, given our AGM is May 2016 can they stand for election given they would need to resign within the following few months – what would be the mechanics?

                    Thanks again
                    JC

                    #24150
                    Whale
                    Flatchatter

                      JC – the NSW Department of Fair Trading’s website states that “at this stage it is anticipated that the new laws will commence on 1 July 2016”, and if common sense prevails then your current Secretary won’t again accept a nomination at the May 2016 Annual General Meeting (AGM).

                      As I alluded to in my other post, your Owners Corporation gets what its members vote for! So if you think that common sense may be uncommon at the next AGM, then start lobbying other Owners on the additional basis that as the current Secretary is not an Owner he has to be nominated by one, he then needs to accept that nomination, have it seconded by another Owner, and be then (re) elected by a majority vote of those present at the Meeting; so there’s three (3) prescribed “hoops” that he’d need to negotiate if he refuses to see that the writing’s on the wall (must be my day for idioms).

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