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28/01/2015 at 2:25 pm #9866
One of our Executive Committee has just sold, finalised everything and moved out leaving three remaining members. He was the Secretary, lived here and was very active and on-the-ball.
Those remaining aren’t anywhere near as active or sensible, two live elsewhere and the owner-occupier is just a seat-warmer protecting his own interests.
I know the Act says the exiting EC member needs to be replaced but it doesn’t say how soon, so the clever Strata Manager has told them not to bother at all and wait until the AGM in June. Typical of our Strata Manager; to exploit a loophole so nothing need be done.
I believe we need someone to step up and take over in a pro-active way sooner. I would be more than willing and there is another person more energetic and more experienced in life than me who also may be interested. Is there anything we might do please?
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28/01/2015 at 6:19 pm #22934
In the ACT, in this situation, the remaining EC can appoint another member of the OC to fill a casual vacancy. Perhaps it is the same wherever you are? If so, you might be able to put up your hand and/or suggest the other willing person and the remaining EC could appoint one of you.
29/01/2015 at 9:54 am #22936In NSW the SSMA 1996 says:
- (2) When a vacancy occurs in the office of a member of an executive committee (otherwise than by reason of subclause (1) (d)), the owners corporation must appoint a person eligible for election as a member to fill the vacancy. Any person so appointed holds office, subject to this clause, for the balance of his or her predecessor’s term of office.
I guess you could call an Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM) and replace the vacancy there. How soon should that be done? The act does not say how soon, however like everything else it should be done as soon as practicable.
29/01/2015 at 2:21 pm #22938@Stevecro said:
In NSW the SSMA 1996 says:- (2) When a vacancy occurs in the office of a member of an executive committee (otherwise than by reason of subclause (1) (d)), the owners corporation must appoint a person eligible for election as a member to fill the vacancy. Any person so appointed holds office, subject to this clause, for the balance of his or her predecessor’s term of office.
I guess you could call an Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM) and replace the vacancy there. How soon should that be done? The act does not say how soon, however like everything else it should be done as soon as practicable.
I am not sure that the quoted text would necessarily require a general meeting, though it might. In the ACT the Act says the EC can exercise any function of the OC unless directed otherwise by a general meeting resolution or the Act specifies a particular resolution of a general meeting to make that sort of decision. If that is similar elsewhere and if the Act specifies the process of election of an EC member at the AGM, appointment to fill a casual vacancy at some other time might not be the same thing and might be a function the EC can exercise.
Just because the EC can exercise a function does not always mean it should rather than refer to a general meeting. That is a matter for judgement.
29/01/2015 at 2:36 pm #22939I think there is a simpler way. You make an application to the EC to fill the empty seat and offer yourself as a candidate. If they refuse to even take a vote, they are failing to exercise their duties (the Act says they MUST fill the vacancy) and so you can warn them that you will commence proceedings under section 138 (below) to get an NCAT adjudicator to order them to do so.
Bear in mind, however, that faced with threats, they may then decide to elect anyone but you to the empty chair. So probably the best advice is the old chestnut, speak softly but carry a big stick.
138 General power of Adjudicator to make orders to settle disputes or rectify complaints
(1) An Adjudicator may make an order to settle a dispute or complaint about:
(a) an exercise of, or a failure to exercise, a function conferred or imposed by or under this Act or the by-laws in relation to a strata scheme, or
(b) the operation, administration or management of a strata scheme under this Act.
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), an owners corporation or building management committee is taken to have failed to exercise a function if:
(a) it decides not to exercise the function, or
(b) application is made to it to exercise the function and it fails for 2 months after the making of the application to exercise the function in accordance with the application or to inform the applicant that it has decided not to exercise the function in accordance with the application.
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30/01/2015 at 1:52 pm #22950Thanks for the advice all, it is very helpful.
When I sent a polite, short email to our Chairman who resides elsewhere suggesting we meet for a brief, informal chat about the state of things and the need to replace the departed Executive Member with someone preferably living on-site, his reply was “No need to worry, it’ll all be OK. I am not sure about having a chat”.
Time for step 2. Thanks again.
20/02/2015 at 2:44 pm #23077Our Executive Committee was four: Mr A, Mr B, Ms C and Ms D.
Ms D sold and left.
An agenda item for the recent Executive Committee meeting said: “3.1 Discuss replacing Executive Committee member Ms D who has sold.” No name or other details mentioned.
The minutes for the Executive Committee meeting say: “3.1 New Executive Committee member to replace Ms D. Unanimous decision to resolve to appoint Mr X to be on the Committee.”
There were only two members out of the remaining three at the meeting, Mr A and Mr B. (Apologies – Ms C.)
Is this kosher? To me it seems very iffy. A snow job perhaps. Not expressed whether Ms C gave a proxy to anyone or if the ‘unanimous decision’ was just the two at the meeting.
I bear no sour grapes, I promise.
21/02/2015 at 11:30 am #23086Costa – no sour grapes from me either, but your question was answered by Stevecro way back in post #3, but to reiterate, there is no provision for votes by proxy at Executive Committee Meetings, and Members are elected by the Owners Corporation at General Meetings.
So even though, as Jimmy foreshadowed in post #5, the remaining Members of your Executive Committee rushed to elect anyone but you to the empty chair, that process was contrary to the Act, Mr X is not a Member, you should at least inform your Secretary of that fact, and perhaps reconsider proceedings under Sect 138.
21/02/2015 at 12:27 pm #23087@Whale said:
… there is no provision for votes by proxy at Executive Committee Meetings, and Members are elected by the Owners Corporation at General Meetings.Actually, provided there is a quorum, the members in attendance can vote to accept (or not) a proxy vote – or even a proxy member – for that meeting. However, the proxy does not count towards the quorum before that vote is taken.
And the committee elects new members to fill vacancies created mid-term by a simple majority.
However, members can only be sacked from the committee by a special resolution at an EGM.
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21/02/2015 at 1:46 pm #23091Sorry Jimmy, but I don’t think that’s right, and whilst I hate quoting bits of the Act, Schedule 3 (with my emphasis underlined and an explanation in italics)….
Cl.2(3) states “The members of an executive committee must be elected at each annual general meeting of the owners corporation“; and
Cl.4(2) states “When a vacancy occurs in the office of a member of an executive committee [otherwise than by reason of subclause (1) (d) (i.e. at the end of their term)], the owners corporation must appoint a person eligible for election as a member to fill the vacancy. Any person so appointed holds office, subject to this clause, for the balance of his or her predecessor’s term of office”.
So in as much as both delaying the filling of a Executive Committee (E/C) vacancy until the next AGM an convening an EGM just for that purpose may be undesirable, that’s what I believe is the intent under the provisions of the Act – despite the fact that in some other situations a decision of the E/C is taken to be one of the Owners Corporation.
Again, whilst Cl.3 provides for acting E/C Members to be appointed as you describe, I am of the opinion that means a personal attendance by another Owner in that acting capacity and not a written proxy by the absent Member in the form and with the intention allowed at General Meetings.
Always learning, so I’m happy to be corrected though.
21/02/2015 at 2:22 pm #23094Shouldn’t the EC have put the name of the person they were thinking of replacing the departed member Ms D with in the agenda? IE Mr X?
Is two out of four (originally elected) members a quorum?
Since there was no mention of any proxy in the minutes, that means there wasn’t one I suppose, so it just the two of them electing someone and nobody knew who, until the meeting.
Whale, I think I sense a terseness: “Costa – no sour grapes from me either, but your question was answered by Stevecro way back in post #3, but to reiterate…” While I apologise for my lack of knowledge in these things, it seems there is a lot that is… err… inexact… around this, don’t you think?
To make it crystal clear, I am completely happy with the new appointee, we agree on most things. I’m just not confident in the process.
21/02/2015 at 6:17 pm #23095Regarding election of EC mid-term replacements by the EC (rather than a general meeting) I can only go by what I know is standard practice in my building and I believe in many others, and that is that the EC elects replacements.
I think the significant difference between my interpretation of the law from Whale’s is that he thinks the Act means the Owners Corp has to elect a replacement and I think the EC, acting on behalf of the owner’s corp, can do so, and in saying that, I would cite Section 21 (below).
I the building in which I live, the EC announces a vacancy in its minutes and then the chairman quietly anoints someone and the EC duly elects them.
In five years of shuffling the decks this way, our chair has arranged things so that all but one of the EC members is now his personal choice.
A couple of years ago, the chairman wanted to appoint one of his mates who had cause a lot of grief in the building and I stood against him, just to give the EC a choice.
It was a stalemate and neither of us were elected (a win-win for me). At the next AGM, the chair used his 50 percent-plus proxies to change the rules so that nominations were not declared before mid-term elections of replacements “to save the embarrassment of the losing party.”
Cynics might suggest that it was really so that the office-bearers could elect whoever they wanted before anyone even realised what was afoot.
Trust me, if I thought there were any legal grounds for challenging this, I’d have the lot of them down at Fair Trading and NCAT faster than you can say “proxy harvest”.
But even if I am right, a general meeting can overturn an EC decision – wonder if that applies to EC mid-term recruitment too.
This is what Section 21 says:
21 Executive committee’s decisions to be decisions of owners corporation
(1) A decision of an executive committee is taken to be the decision of the owners corporation, subject to subsection (4).
(2) However, the following decisions may not be made by the executive committee:
(a) a decision that is required by or under any Act to be made by the owners corporation by unanimous resolution or special resolution or in general meeting,
(b) a decision on any matter or type of matter that the owners corporation has determined in general meeting is to be decided only by the owners corporation in general meeting.
(3) An owners corporation may in general meeting continue to exercise all or any of the functions conferred on it by this Act or the by-laws even though an executive committee holds office.
(4) Despite any other provision of this Act, in the event of a disagreement between the owners corporation and the executive committee, the decision of the owners corporation prevails.
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21/02/2015 at 7:50 pm #23096I know all has been said and done in this post, but my views on this one are identical to Whales. The act does say the Owners Corporation must replace a vacancy when one occurs. Vacancies in the committee in my view should be replaced at an EGM as they are elected at a general meeting in the first place. If the Acts intention was to allow the EC to replace its members, then it would say ‘The Executive Committee must appoint a person eligible for election’ etc.
Also there is no provision for ‘Proxy Forms’ for EC meetings. I really don’t know where people get that idea from. There is no prescribed proxy form for EC meetings, if the Act allowed for proxies for EC meetings there would be a prescribed proxy form to go with it (I guess). Acting members in my view are physical replacements who can act for a member of the EC if they cannot attend a meeting. E.g I appoint Whale to act on my behalf at an EC meeting as I cannot make it, however this is subject to the approval of the rest of the EC.
Again I am no solicitor, it’s just how I read the SSMA. I am not saying that your views are incorrect Jimmy, we all interpret things differently, and if what your doing works in your scheme and everyone’s happy, then so be it.
21/02/2015 at 11:35 pm #23097Stevecro said:
… there is no provision for ‘Proxy Forms’ for EC meetings. I really don’t know where people get that idea from. There is no prescribed proxy form for EC meetings, if the Act allowed for proxies for EC meetings there would be a prescribed proxy form to go with it (I guess).
I’m afraid you guess wrong. This is not a matter of interpretation- it’s a matter of fact. The word proxy is not used but this is what the Schedule 3 Regulations say about owners sitting in for absent EC members as well as EC members voting on absent members’ behalf. These are proxies, by any other name – no forms required:
3 Acting members of the executive committee
(1) A member of the executive committee may, with the consent of the executive committee, appoint an owner or company nominee of a corporation which is an owner to act in his or her place as a member at any meeting of the executive committee.
(2) The owner or company nominee so appointed is, while so acting as a member, taken to be a member.
(3) An owner or company nominee of a corporation may be so appointed whether or not he or she is a member of the executive committee already.
(4) If a person so appointed is a member of the executive committee the person may, at any meeting of the executive committee, separately vote in the person’s capacity as such a member and on behalf of the member in whose place the person has been appointed to act.
Also, this is what the Fair Trading fact sheet on executive committees says on the subject:
Non‑attendance at meetings
An executive committee member can appoint another owner or company nominee, whether or not they are a member of the executive committee already, to vote for them at an executive committee meeting. This must be approved by the executive committee.
Regarding whether or not the EC can elect new members, you are not in a position to know what the intention of the Act was. You can have an opinion but yours is not borne out by any experience with which I am familiar and I’ve been writing about this stuff for 12 years now.
The Act clearly states that decisions of the EC are to be taken as decisions of the Owners Corporation. Or, in other words, the EC can make decisions on behalf of the owners corp.
For instance Executive Committees can decide to replace gym equipment, provided they get two quotes and there is no restriction on their spending imposed by the Owners Corp at an AGM.
EC’s can also decide to issue Notices To Comply, and it says so on the form, provided that power has not been removed by the owners at a general meeting.
In both cases, the Act describes these decisions as being made by the Owners Corporation.
In fact, there is a standard motion that must be put on the agenda of every AGM, asking if the owners corp wants to instruct the EC not to consider certain issues during the coming year. This could be used to tell the EC to hold a full election for and empty seat, if that’s what the owners wanted. Usually, however, it’s to prevent one or two EC members continually presenting the same proposals only for them to be rejected when they don’t get the numbers.
Nowhere in the Act does it specify that retired EC members must be replaced by a vote of owners at a general meeting, or that it has to be by a special resolution (which would require a general meeting).
There are specific decision that the EC can’t make – and these are listed in the Act and Schedule 3 Regulations. Replacing an EC member is not one of them.
I would “guess” the intention of the Act was to avoid having general meetings every time an EC member fell sick, moved house, got bored or got too busy at work.
The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
22/02/2015 at 1:34 pm #23098Costa said … I think I sense a terseness..
No… I wasn’t being rude or unfriendly, but rather using your term perhaps inappropriately to express my frustration with the fact that your questions had been answered, good advice had been given, and yet you had come back with substantially the same questions perhaps expecting a different answer (?).
You’re not the only one by the way!
Anyway, at least you’re happy with the new E/C Member even though it’s not you, and as the last few posts illustrate, there is as you’ve observed some inexactness around interpretations of the Act – but at least that keeps the Tribunal occupied whenever one of those oft-used (interpretations) suddenly doesn’t “work” for a particular Plan.
22/02/2015 at 5:02 pm #23101My head hurts.
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