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    HappyNow
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      The neighbour above me moved into her apartment 4 years ago.  The ceiling in the lounge room had been damaged during a storm and come down and had been re-gyprocked, the carpet dried and the external roof repaired after storm damage!  The heavy rain that  February had flowed backwards as the roof had not been pitched at the recommended level (so the insurance company advised my neighbour).  This surely is a building defect.

       

      The next year the February rains were very mild, however the following February she experienced exactly the same problem. Once again the assessors said it was due to the incorrect pitch of the roof.  It was repaired externally and internally and the neighbour had to replace a lounge and the carpet as it had gone brittle and was full of mildew.

       

      This year in February the same situation again!  The Insurance assessors of the neighbour again giving the reason of the incorrect roof pitch.  This time the neighbour was home to witness the curtain of rain pouring down from the ceiling, and was able to catch it in buckets, the bucket parade continued for 3 weeks! No floor or furniture damage this time.

       

      The neighbour went to the committee with her frustrations: the committee did not appear to be addressing the real issue.  My neighbour is now out of pocket for 3 x painting, new lounge and flooring (totaling $8,000).  The committee suggested she approach her insurer to have these monies recouped. The insurer replied ‘we do not cover loss, damage, injury or death arising from: faulty design or workmanship.’  When she raised the issue of the roof being pitched incorrectly, the Committee chose (yet again) to go with the cheaper option of replacing the flashing and inserting backing foam, in the hope that this would prevent the back flow.  The neighbour is still waiting for the internal damage to be repaired!

       

      Is the roof not a common property insurance claim?    Why is the committee not having an insurance assessor come and assess the building issue?  The Strata Manager is not doing anything to help.  Are they and the OC liable for further damage to my neighbours unit?  I have suggested she make an application to NCAT regarding this ongoing issue as a matter of urgency.  What is your expert advice please?
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    • #21645
      Whale
      Flatchatter

        Responses please………..

        #21649
        kiwipaul
        Flatchatter

          Yes the roof is common property and it is the responsibility of the Strata to repair it such that it doesn’t leak again. If that means removing the roof and increasing the pitch (or some other method) then it is up to the strata to do so.

          At the first occurrence of the problem you might be eligible to claim on the insurance but subsequent flooding is down to the strata and they would be liable for that damage and any further damage to your property.

          Don’t blame the SM as they work for the strata and take instruction from the strata.

          I’d immediately start proceeding at NCAT against the strata for failing to maintain the common property and ask for all your damage claims to be paid by the strata.

          Strata cannot turn a blind eye to design faults and just hope they will go away they need to fix the cause of the problem.

          Is the building still covered by the original builders insurance ie less than 10 years old.

          #21659
          HappyNow
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            Can I check.  We have a Strata Management company in place, by Strata, do you mean the Strata Manager or do you mean the Owners Corporation aka Executive Committee?  The EC have superficially fixed the ceiling only.  NOTHING has been done to the roof, either to prevent more water penetration occurring OR fixing the pitch of the roof.  If going to NCAT, who do you make the the form out to for mediation?  The Owners Corporation, The Strata Management company, the Executive Committee acting for the Owners Corporation (the EC were the body advising the neighbour to go back to her insurance company).  Thank you for clarifying

            #21660
            scotlandx
            Strataguru

              It’s the Owners Corporation – they are the party responsible under the Act.  So any application for an order is in respect of them.

              (the EC and manager are essentially the OC’s agents)

              #21665
              HappyNow
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              Chat-starter

                Thank you  The building is less than 5 years old.  The original builder went into liquidation. A subsequent builder finished the odds and ends still requiring completion which were mostly internal jobs so the roof pitch would have been part of the original builder.  I think this fault should be covered by our Common Property Strata insurance.  For some unknown reason, the Executive Committee are not bringing them into play.  I do not understand the incompetency of the Executive Committee or their reasons for not bringing in the Insurance Assessor to look at the roof fault. Of course, we as Owners have given the Executive Committee our approval to make decisions on behalf of the Owners Corporation.  I can understand why now the neighbour above me will have to take her own private action to NCAT and I will have to do the same as I have emailed the Strata Manager 18 months ago that my common property wall running the length of my apartment is suffering water penetration. I was not aware of what was occuring to the apartment above my head until last week. It is galling to think an unprofessional body calling themselves an Executive Committee can get away with something like this for so long. A total of $1,000,000.00 in property value is being affected by the decisions of an unprofessional few (5 members are on the EC).  They did not mention anything to me of the problems occuring in the apartment above me though they were aware of my water penetration concerns.  Something needs to be done to ensure our assets (that is anyone who owns a Strata unit) are not affected by such incompetence! I’m gobsmacked to say the least.  My neighbour could not sell her unit in the current state. Not that she wants to, but if she did, she would have serious issues.  I appreciate your feedback, knowledge and experience in this matter.  Thank you very much for clarifying.

                #21667
                DWDuck004
                Flatchatter

                  The Insurer holding the policy for the Owners Corporation would not cover the costs associated with any rectification of the cause of a leak. The policy will only cover the costs associated with the reinstatement works.

                  this however leads to a an issue where the insurer may decline a claim made by the OC where the relevant works on the roof are not undertaken. The OC has a responsibility to mitigate damages caused by the flow of water as soon as practically possible. I have represented OC’s in VCAT (Victoria) where an OC, although did their best to make the relevant repairs to a roof, all the while following the Act in relation to resolutions and due diligence, where subject to an order to make the relevant repairs and pay a ‘Loss of Rent’ to the owner of the affected apartment.

                  In my opinion, the costs associated with the repairs, if no longer claimable under the OC’s insurance policy, can be claimed through the Owners Corporation. And you may need to apply to the relevant competent court of jurisdiction to do so. However before doing this I would be writing to the committee and detail that you would like them to action a plan to rectify the leaks permanently, and cover the losses incurred by the persistent leaking. 

                  If they then fail to respond or engage you, this will strengthen your case.

                  #21669
                  scotlandx
                  Strataguru

                    No you’re not covered by strata insurance, so far as it relates to fixing faulty/defective building work.

                    However if your builder went into liquidation then you should be able to claim to fix the faulty roof under Home Warranty Insurance.  It isn’t clear if you have already done a claim under that for the other issues, but the OC has an obligation to fix something that is defective.  If they are covered by HWI then they had better get their skates on as time is running – I get very confused re how long you have but in your case it might be 6 years.

                    As I said, regardless, the roof has to be fixed now the OC is aware of it.  Otherwise as has been pointed out you could find yourself in a position where the strata insurer refuses to pay for damage as a result of it.

                    #21707
                    HappyNow
                    Flatchatter
                    Chat-starter

                      I received this response from the Executive Committee via the Strata Manager to my request for a professional check for damp to the common property wall. How should I respond?

                      With regard to your Agents routine inspection of your property it is noted that there is no mention of water damage internally nor where there any comments regarding either repairs or maintenance required which one would normally have expected if there was any form of your stated water damage. In fact the report indicated that the premises were in good order apart from some minor paint bubbling at the front entrance area and unfortunately this still occurs in some areas of the complex.

                      In respect of your allegation that you sustain water damage to your property as a result of the pitch of the roof above Unit 21 we advise that the damage sustained to that unit was confined to one area, that being the lounge room. If in fact, as you allege, you have also sustained water damage then it would have been noticeable from the ceiling area of your lounge room as water would have leaked from the floor area in Unit 21 and to-date all we note is that you advise that you have sustained a mould issues in your lounge room, study, ensuite and main bedroom and these are more at the lower level of the walls.

                      We again point out that on previous occasions reports on that issue indicate that it was as a result of poor circulation of air within the premises and that when testing was done the moisture levels were well within acceptable levels.

                      We would advise that having spoken with Unit 21 repair to the roofline has been undertaken and we do not envisage further occurrences of water ingress to the premises. This will be continually monitored by Unit 21 who will advise if this is not the case.

                      #21708
                      HappyNow
                      Flatchatter
                      Chat-starter

                        This was the response from my neighbour above me to my queries to her.

                        Just wondering if you are satisfied with the roof repairs carried out above Unit 21?

                         

                        Repairs have not yet been completed, internal damage has not been attended to!  The external problem has been ‘fixed’, however only time and February rains will tell if the cheaper option they chose is satisfactory!

                        Was a builder involved in the repairs ?

                        Yes the builders were organised by the Strata Management Co

                        Did you suffer any further water penetration after the deluge yesterday?

                        No damage today, I was home to make sure.  The problem only comes when we have days of rain!


                           Neighbour’s name removed to maintain anonymity —- Whale 11/06.

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