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    daphne diaphanous
    Flatchatter

      We are having problems with regular transfers from our sinking fund to cover admin fund shortfalls without ever replacing them. Does anyone have any experience of this?

       

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    • #20437
      Jimmy-T
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        @daphne diaphanous said:
        We are having problems with regular transfers from our sinking fund to cover admin fund shortfalls without ever replacing them. Does anyone have any experience of this?

         

        While the continuous re-lending of a sum may seem like a way of siphoning money out of sinking funds, it may just be a one-off readjustment when the Sinking Funds have more than enough money but the cash-flow in the admin fund is a bit thin. The money is ‘lent’, paid bank, then lent again.

        However if the initial sum isn’t paid back within the specified period (90 days??) and more money is withdrawn, this is a breach and can be pursued through orders from the CTTT.

        Obviously, the long-term answer is to shift the distribution of levies income from the sinking fund to the admin fund until the correct balance is restored.

         

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #20447
        daphne diaphanous
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          The missing capital from the sinking fund (don’t know how long it’s been going on, but we know it is at least 4 years) will now have to be replaced with compound interest from the beginning of the breaches. All this has to be done by a special levy on the owners. The SM & the relevant ECs have some explaining to do. Meanwhile, we have notified Fair Trading, almost as soon as we became aware, so will not be overly popular with the neighbours. The 2 week delay in our action was due to having to do some research to get our facts right. I’d love to know how others have dealt with a similar situation, since we are highly unlikely to be alone in this quandary.

          #20449
          daphne diaphanous
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            To add to my previous posting, I read recently that there have been proposals to reduce the current income & expenditure statements to simple, one page documents. Apparently, they confuse poor old owners with no accounting experience. Well, we have no accounting experience, but thankfully, had no trouble understanding them in their present form. All we had to do was take the trouble to read them & without that, we would probably not have noticed the irregularities. Our Section 109 certificate for which we had to pay good money, showed the property had no outstanding liabilities. We do beg to differ. It was clearly a worthless document. Without compulsory annual audits, this is what comes of putting the wolf in charge of the sheep pen & yes, I do mean sheep pen.

            #20451
            Whale
            Flatchatter

              Daphne – each income and expenditure statement is relative to the approved budget for each Fund (Admin and Sinking), so irrespective of whether they’re complex or simple one page documents any variance (over or under) will still be identified at the proverbial bottom-line.

              As for your Owners Corporation (O/C) borrowing from its Sinking Fund in order to make payments that should otherwise have been made from its Administrative Fund, under Sect 71(3) of the NSW Strata Schemes Management Act it (the O/C) had 3 months from the date of the initial transfer to determine how the borrowed funds will be re-paid and over what timeframe.

              The S109 Certificate that you requested relates only to financial and other matters to do with your Lot, not the the O/C as a whole, and an Audit only looks at how the financial records have been kept and how income’s raised and payments made.

              So as for what you and other Owners should do about the current situation.

              It’s too often the case that despite the efforts of (some) Strata Managers to have levy contributions set at levels sufficient to meet anticipated expenses, (some) Owners never want to pay any more than they have to, consequently get themselves into the situation that you describe, eventually find themselves with insufficient funds to properly manage their Plan, and then have to borrow (sound familiar!).

              One option is to elect a new Government, sorry Executive Committee, who’s prepared to push-through the necessary levy increases, and another is to do what Jimmy suggested (post #2) and seek Orders to compulsorily vary the amount of your O/C’s levy contributions under Sect 149 of that Act.

              #20454
              daphne diaphanous
              Flatchatter
              Chat-starter

                Thank you Whale. The complaint against the S71 breaches is in & the other depends on the result of the complaint & something else, which I cannot discuss as yet. I’ll keep you posted. Meanwhile, I’d like to hear from more people with this problem.

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