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  • #7475
    Gilgal1
    Flatchatter

      Hi – I'd like to find out what you think is the best approach for getting rid of unused common property by selling or leasing it to interested unit owners.

      Our suburban unit complex comprises 2 buildings and 24 units – about two-thirds owner-occupied. We recently sacked our old strata manager, appointed a new one who's willing to actually do some work, and are embarking on a process of attending to maintenance that's been ignored for years. I'm on the Executive Committee.

      Various EC members and residents have been involved in trying to improve the state of our grounds and other common property. We've had civil and drainage engineers prepare reports on some of the more obvious problems in our complex. There are far too many things for us to afford to fix within only a couple of years.

      Apart from the obvious option of imposing a special levy at our next general meeting, we need to come up with a way of raising more money. Fortunately, I think we have one.

      Our complex has 3 balconies to nowhere – common spaces which the developer (back in 1981) may have intended as balconies adjoining some units. Instead, they are just unfinished spaces that leak into the garages below, tend towards concrete cancer and attract local teenagers looking for somewhere to hang out where people can't see them.

      These areas are in a shocking state and are on our list of essential repairs. But what to do once we've fixed them?

      We've been talking about offering the spaces for sale to owners of units adjoining them. However our new strata manager seems to think long term leases are a better option. What do you think?

      I understand that we'll probably have to get planning permission from our local council – especially if unit owners want to knock doorways through walls so they can access their new spaces. What I'm not so sure about is (1) how we value such spaces and (2) whether selling or leasing is the better option.

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    • #13091
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        I can see why your SM would suggest leasing. There would be no need to adjust unit entitlements, for a start, and I’m sure there could be some way of ensuring that owners could on-sell the lease with their apartments at some time in the future.

        As far as valuations go, there is a formula established by the Supreme Court for purchasing Common Property to improve existing lots.  Basically you get professional estimates of how much the property will be worth with the addition of the terrace and how much it is is worth now.  You subtract the latter from the former, and also take off any costs associated with the work and remainder is what the lot owners pays the OC.

        So I would be tempted to use that principle, only with rents.  Get valuations of how much it would cost to rent the apartments as is, and then with the terrace/balconies, and subtract one from the other.  The difference would be the basis for your lease.  The OC pays to fix up the balconies and the lot owner pays for installing the doors etc (to your approved design).

        You could then take that money from the leased space and go to a strata finance company like Lannocks and find out how much that would get you in a loan to pay for some of the work you need to do. 

        Selling the space may sound easier but it really isn’t when you get into things like adjusting unit entitlements for the whole building.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #13092
        Gilgal1
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Thanks for responding so quickly. I'll take your comments to our EC meeting this evening.

          Question: If we lease the balconies, who would be responsible for their maintenance? I'm thinking it's the Owners' Corporation… or could we put something in the rental agreements that makes the relevant unit owners responsible? 

          #13094
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster

            Even if you “sold” them, they would probably still be considered common property in regard to structural maintenance (and you wouldn't want it any other way).  However you could write into the leases that the lot owners would have to pay for any damage done, for instance, to the seal and restrict them from doing anything to the space that would interfere with the integrity of the structure. 

            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
            #13110
            bpositive
            Flatchatter

              Gilgal1 said:

              Hi – I’d like to find out what you think is the best approach for getting rid of unused common property by selling or leasing it to interested unit owners.

              You may need to get unanimous approval from all owners since each and every owner has a 1/n interest in the common property.

              #13113
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                I think, in fact, all it requires is a special resolution (75 percent) but you have to make sure that no one is being unfairly disadvantaged ( I think the term is “defrauding the minority”).  In other words, if there is a benefit to some owners in buying common property, a fair amount has to flow back to all owners, even if the majority agrees otherwise.  That’s why the Supreme Court established the formula described above.

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                #13116
                Gilgal1
                Flatchatter
                Chat-starter

                  Thanks Jimmy & bpositive… Our EC isn't into ripping off anyone. In fact our focus in the last 6 months has been improving communication with all owners and sacking an incompetent strata manager.

                  Now we're stuck with the reality that our owners' corporation somehow managed to avoid for years: there are far more repairs to do than we can afford. The true test for our unit complex is whether the support we've fostered among unit owners in recent months will translate into financial support. I can already see there's a lot of work ahead.

                  I agree with Jimmy about the balconies: I think we need a special resolution to lease out the balconies. But first we've got to repair them – seems they were never finished properly 30 years ago, and no one ever sought to make the builder finish their job.

                  To be honest, I've seriously considered selling our unit rather than persist in spending so much time working as a project manager for free. Then I realise that we could end up in another unit with even more strata problems than ours. So on we go…

                  #13124
                  Anonymous

                    The answer is in the detail and the ‘deal’ that the ec could negotiate with the respective lot owners/party that you are looking to sell the rights to.

                    It could be a contract condition that the purchaser makes the area good or ‘fit for purpose’ and factored into the purchase price.

                    From the purchaser’s perspective I would envisage a strata subdivision would be better as it is more secure title.

                    Keep in mind which ever way the OC wishes to go you will need to lodge a DA and get council approval.

                    #13125
                    Billen Ben
                    Flatchatter

                      Mr strata said:

                      The answer is in the detail and the 'deal' that the ec could negotiate with the respective lot owners/party that you are looking to sell the rights to.

                      It could be a contract condition that the purchaser makes the area good or 'fit for purpose' and factored into the purchase price.

                      From the purchaser's perspective I would envisage a strata subdivision would be better as it is more secure title.

                      Keep in mind which ever way the OC wishes to go you will need to lodge a DA and get council approval.

                      The idea of a strata subdivision is a good one – it may then be possible to do a consolidation of title and “consume” the additional property into the original title.

                      We currently have one owner doing a boundary adjustment. That may also be a good option – that also requires a DA if dealing with common property.

                      Keep in mind the cost of any change in unit entitlement.

                      #13127
                      Jimmy-T
                      Keymaster

                        What Mr Strata says is probably correct but it involves a long and involved process that would require a reassignment of Unit Entitlements for the whole building which is a long and involved process in itself.

                        However, it would seem time is of the essence since this chunk of common property is deteriorating and the Owners Corporation has an obligation to repair it (and no money with which to do so).

                        A long-term transferable lease of, say 30 years, linked to CPI, would provide the necessary security for potential purchasers.

                        I would be talking to Lannocks or Strata Finance about a loan to allow you to get the work done, and to the owners of the lots about leasing the space.  That way it’s possible to get this work done quickly – which is the OC’s legal responsibility – without having to impose a special levy.

                        If all owners involved want to buy the balconies, then they’d have to share the cost of the new surveys and legals etc etc and, as the prvious posters have said, the cost of the repairs could be factored into the price.

                        By the way the structure of these balconies would still be common property and it’s not always a good idea to pass their repair and maintenance on to individual owners.  As you’ll see from other posts to this Forum, some owners just don’t bother with maintenance until it’s too late and the damage is done.

                        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                        #13129
                        Anonymous

                          Perhaps analogous:

                          In our OC, many years ago a decision was made that unit owners could have a 'special privilege' for the use of particular parking spots on the common property by complying with a licence agreement. Previously many units did not have an assigned parking spot but there was enough parking in large shared open parking areas for all units according to a planning formula at the time of construction. The licence agreement states that the OC gives a special privilege to a unit owner to use a particular spot for limited purposes (parking a vehicle and storage of other property) and the unit owner agrees to meet all of the OC's costs for the initial construction a carport to cover that spot and all subsequent maintenance costs associated with the parking spot. In accordance with this the OC has recently completed a program of maintenance (repainting, repointing, replacing broken tiles, a few loose bricks, some potholes in the asphalt etc.) and charged it to the carport licensees. The licence can be transferred to another owner just by notifying the OC on a particular form, typically when one owner is selling a unit and the new owner is the buyer of that unit. It works for us.

                          #13814

                          This forum has been so helpful. We are in a similar situation – one of the units in our block wants to buy an unuseable parking space to turn in to a garden. No-one is opposed to this in principle, but they have been extremely difficult when negotiating a price. First they wanted us to sign it over to them for free. Then they wanted to pay “under the table” to avoid stamp duty. Then they wanted to pay us but for us not to tell the owners of the other unit (!!!) – it is a block of three – so they could avoid paying us.

                          I am really relieved to find out that there is an agreed formula for pricing this kind of thing from the Supreme Court – can you let me know where I would find a copy so I can refer to it?

                          Also, I am worried that the owner who wants to buy the land has gone to the other owner with some story about not being able to afford it, or may be trying to do a deal “under the table” (since he already did that to us) and that the two of them will be able to outvote us at the upcoming AGM. Is this possible? Or are their some kind of minority shareholder rights? I was hoping it would have to be a unanimous resolution, but have no idea where to find this kind of information. How does voting work when it is a Strata of 3?

                          #13818
                          Jimmy-T
                          Keymaster

                            The case you refer to (which you will find HERE) also contains the answer to your question about being outvoted.  The case was about an owner who used their majority votes to allow themselves to build into the common property loft space.  Although the vote was 'legal' in terms of the strata Act, it was considered a “fraud against the minority” and struck down.  At the same time a formula was established for the compensation due to the OC for the sale of the property.

                            That formula is based on the difference the addition of the common property makes to the value of the lot, minus the costs of developing the property, including legals.  In your case, the cost of developing it would be minmal (legals aside).

                            In any case, you may find that an easier solution is to create an exclusive use by-law with restrictions on how the space can be used and a figure for leasing the space that increases with CPI every year.  That way you avoid stamp duty and any future development of the space for other purposes while the other owners have security of tenure – the exclusive use by-law can only be revokes with their or subsequent owners' permission – that makes it worth developing the space as a garden.

                            Talk to an experienced strata lawyer about drawing up the by-law and to a real estate agent about the value of the space.  And if you go ahead,  make sure the person leasing the space pays the legal bill.

                            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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