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    Jimmy-T
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      The report by the NSW parliamentary inquiry into holiday letting represents a huge win for the misnamed “sharing economy” but a devastating blow to long-term apartment residents.

      Duchessed by the slickly efficient lobbyists for online agencies like Airbnb and Stayz, who flew senior executives in from overseas to meet the committee, our MPs couldn’t wait to open up our homes to their customers.

      Committee members bought the lie at the heart of the short-stay industry sales pitch. This is not about renting a room to visitors for a little pin money – the vast majority of rentals are entire homes.

      Also, more than a third of Airbnb “hosts” have more than one property. In short, it’s a multi-billion-dollar business.


      How the report got it completely wrong on short-stay lets


      We shouldn’t be surprised. Few if any of the MPs on the committee live in apartments and for years some of their parliamentary colleagues have been knowingly subverting planning laws, to line their own pockets.

      There is still a way to go before this becomes law but one of the more worrying proposals is that local councils should set the rules for short stay lets.

      So City of Sydney, who blithely sold us down the river with a submission that’s routinely cited as justification for hanging long-term strata residents out to dry,  will decide how many days a year apartments can be let to holidaymakers.

      Part of their thinking, if you can call it that, was that there hadn’t been many complaints. Maybe that’s because buildings that wanted to limit short-stay lets were already doing so.

      So, thanks, Sydney, for helping to take away our right to choose not to live in a hotel.

      It’s all very well to say you can take miscreants to the Tribunal (NCAT), but noisy parties and boisterous families in holiday mode are only the more obvious intrusions.

      How do you even find out who damaged the lift, jammed the garbage chute and smashed a wine glass in the swimming pool, requiring it to be drained?

      Expecting building and strata managers to police the unwelcome guests adds financial insult to social injury. The free ride offered to the “sharing without caring” sector means you and I will foot the bill while selfish investors pocket the cash.

      Strata is already a form of sharing economy.  But the sharing stops when our homes are opened to opportunists in search of a fast buck.

      There’s a lot more about this on flatchat.com.au.

      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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      fcd
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        I’m intrigued by the possible legal ways to block short-stay lets. Could you give some specific info on measures that are legal and that work?

        I’d wondered if additional, specific by-laws were required (or not?) that laid any extra expenses/liabilities incurred by the Body Corp/OC on to the owners of short stay lets in the building. Such as,

        • Additional cleaning costs.
        • If an insurable incident occurred and insurance coverage was refused because the incident was caused by a short stay let and the let was outside a state or local gov’t law/rule/regulation. Could the Body Corp/OC pass the repair costs of the non-insured incident on to the lot/s owner’s?
        • Higher building insurance premiums due to short stay lets. (where applicable)
        • Call out and additional administration fees for (attempting to?) dealing with noise, parking issues, etc. caused by short stay residents.

        Or are there other/simpler methods?

        Thanks.

        #25612
        Jimmy-T
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          It’s a very valid point you make and I have been thinking about a few options.  All the legal advice I have had on this recently has been that it is not strictly legal to ban non-residents from common property but it is legal to charge owners for additional services above an beyond what everyone gets anyway.

          Taking the first part first, the proposed laws would expect us to wait until something goes wrong and then pursue the “host” through the Tribunal, with no guarantee of success (NCAT being the chocolate wheel that it is).  My view is that we  could pursue policies that are “extra-legal”  – i.e. have a questionable legal basis but aren’t actually criminal – and let the “hosts” pursue us through the Tribunal process, with them taking the gamble on their time and money.

          Barring non-residents from common property facilities would be just such a policy, as well as a highly zealous policing of noise and safety to the point of cutting off electricity to noisy apartments.  These are tactics that might not withstand a serious legal challenge but might drive out short-stay hosts whop can’t be bothered to jump through all the hoops that the inquiry committee wants us to negotiate.

          Another tactic might be, as you suggest, to charge owners for additional services related to their apartments’ guests.  Phone calls to the building manager asking where the bins are and approaches to the concierge (if you have one) could all be charged to the lot owner under a set scale established by a by-law. For instance, a request to hand over keys or allow access to the garage could incur a charge of $100, payable by the lot owner.

          I believe that anything that would not be a usual interaction with permanent residents could be covered by a service charge by-law.  This is covered by section 111 of the current laws and section 117 of the incoming strata laws, both of which say the same thing. 

          111   Can an owners corporation provide amenities and services to a lot?

          An owners corporation may enter into an agreement with an owner or occupier of a lot for the provision of amenities or services by it to the lot or to the owner or occupier of the lot.

          Therefore, using the instrument of a by-law, you say “we will provide the following services to short-stay rental guests (i.e. those who do not have residential tenancy agreements) on the following basis …” and then you have a menu of charges for everything from answering a phone call to putting a sticker on a car parked in visitor parking.

          Is it entirely legal?  It doesn’t matter. The way things are set up at the moment, some residents flout our by-laws then thumb their noses at us as we laboriously pursue them through NCAT.  It’s time we used the system to our advantage and let them pursue us.

          Oh, by the way, there’s another battlefield – are short-stay guests “visitors” as far as visitor parking is concerned? Look forward to losing all your spare parking if and when we are forced to accept short-stay rentals.

          Meanwhile, I would strongly recommend that any building that doesn’t want short-stay letting passes a by-law stating the short-stay letting is not appropriate for the building and instructing the strata committee to pursue any breaches of by-laws and strata laws by short-stay hosts and guests with the utmost vigour and to the full extent of the law. 

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #25617
          JC
          Flatchatter

            It seems ridiculous that possible new legislation supporting the recent NSW Parliamentary inquiry into holiday letting, together with the new Strata Schemes Management Act,  would mean 75% of the entitlement vote of owners could result in selling your building – forcing you to leave your home, and yet 100% of the entitlement vote of owners will not be able to exclude short term letting from your building.

            Like many others I find the recommendations of this report surprising and incredibly undemocratic.  My wife and I have ‘downsized’ to live in an apartment, as I’m sure many people will be doing in increasing numbers in the future.  If I had had any idea that I would be living in an hotel, not knowing who my neighbor might be tomorrow and having to clean up vomit and other things from my balcony on new years day,  I would have kept my 4 bedroom house – with three bedrooms unused, gone on the Pension, and enjoyed a quiet relaxing retirement, at the State’s expense.

            Recent findings in research by NSW Dept of Planning and Environment have found that many suburbs in Sydney have over 60% of households headed by a person over 65 with 2 or more bedroom unoccupied (SMH 22/10/2016 p3). It appears the State Government is trying to encourage these ’empty nesters’ to downsize, assumedly to a smaller house or apartment, to free up housing stock for young families.  If there is anything the State Government might do to encourage this transition it would not be to implement the recommendation of the NSW Parliamentary inquiry into holiday letting.

            I’m wondering if a ‘class action’ type approach could be used to tackle this issue. I’m assuming it might be feasible to have a very specific by-law drafted which challenges the basic principles of certain Parliamentary Inquiry recommendations.  If a large enough number of Owners Corporations implemented this by-law, then funded as a collective the defence when it was challenged, we might bring the fundamental unfairness of this report to a head.

            I’m not a lawyer, and not sure that any result would survive the implementation of laws resulting from the report, but I do believe there is a significant number of strata schemes with systems (including by-laws) in place that currently exclude short term letting, and their Owners Corporations might be interested in pooling resources to protect their quality of life.

            #25625
            Jimmy-T
            Keymaster
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              @JC said:
              I’m wondering if a ‘class action’ type approach could be used to tackle this issue. I’m assuming it might be feasible to have a very specific by-law drafted which challenges the basic principles of certain Parliamentary Inquiry recommendations.  If a large enough number of Owners Corporations implemented this by-law, then funded as a collective the defence when it was challenged, we might bring the fundamental unfairness of this report to a head.

              Nice idea but it’s a fundamental principle of strata law that you can’t pass by-laws that supersede “superior laws”.  That’s why strata schemes that are not zoned exclusively residential can’t really have by-laws banning short-stay lets. Your by-laws would never actually be by-laws because they would fail the first test.

              I think right now we should be writing to our MPs and local councils, telling them that if they support this short-sighted attack on our lifestyles then we will attack theirs by sacking them at the next election.

              The proposals seem to be that while strata schemes will not be able to ban short-stay lets, local councils will be able to set the number of nights per year that they are allowed before they have to have planning permission (which they will automatically get anyway).

              City of Sydney has privately suggested 100 nights a year (or every weekend, if you want to look at it that way) and seem to be absolutely stunned that people aren’t dancing in the street at this wholesale destruction of fragile but growing communities just so they can look cool and trendy and their supporters can make money at their neighbours’ expense.

              Money talks, principles walk and the short-stay letting industry has a lot of money to throw at this, as they have shown in Victoria and now here. It’s ironic that Sydney, that likes to kid itself that it’s a world city, is deliberately ignoring what is happening in real world cities like New York which has just imposed a minimum rental period of 30 days because its housing stock is evaporating while its hotels face closure and massive job losses.

              But you are right, strata residents need to get together and let the politicians know they aren’t going to get away with treating us like third-class citizens. If you want to get involved, sign the Neighbours Not Strangers petition and have a look at their Facebook page

              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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