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  • #10079
    Costa
    Flatchatter

      A nasty situation has developed here in our Sydney strata of 38 units. There have been ‘cease and desist’ letters and visits to the police about harassment and threats. Nasty posters have been put up anonymously in the middle of the night, property has been damaged; all in a strata that was peaceful a couple of years ago.

      It’s all built around someone doing the wrong thing which actually breaks by-laws, others complaining; the strata manager, to whom power is assigned, doing nothing and the executive committee doing nothing. They choose not to enforce by-laws without ever saying they choose. They say nothing, in actuality. 

      And they characterize the nastiness as a ‘personal dispute’ between owners.

      The first question from the lawyer and the police has been “Can’t you get ‘strata’ or the ‘body corporate’ to do something about it?” The reply is, “No they won’t.”

      Ignoring the fact that by-laws are being broken and this is being allowed to happen, my question is, ‘are strata managers and executive committees suppose to become involved when things turn sour on their patch like this?’ And even ‘Are the police and lawyers correct when they say ‘strata’ should be doing something about it?’

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    • #23752
      Jimmy-T
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        It’s interesting that you should mention this as there is a creeping trend in some strata schemes to NOT do anything about disputes, characterise them as personal and leave it to the combatants to sort it out.

        In fact, in my own building, complaints by several residents about one owner have resulted in an edict from our chairman that these are  personal issues between residents and nothing to do with the EC or owners corp.

        I am guessing that this may be part of a “user pays” policy intended to keep levies down, as any involvement of our strata manager quite reasonably comes at a price.

        As a result, I contacted a very senior person in Fair Trading and this is what they said:

        The by-laws are binding on all owners/occupiers and the responsibility of the owners corp to oversee and enforce via Notice to Comply/Penalties or mediation/NCAT. 

        So they are an EC and/or general meeting issue. The EC may decide that certain behaviour does not constitute a breach, but they cant say they are not responsible for administering by-laws.

        I’d suggest an owner write to the secretary requesting a motion be put to EC meeting (or general meeting) to pursue a by-law breach (including notice to comply/penalty and mediation/NCAT – this is to give them full authority to pursue whatever action may be required if the person in breach does not respond). 

        Alternatively, an owner affected by the breach, or any other owner or tenant really, can apply for mediation themselves against the person in breach – to mediate, then seek orders if necessary.

         So, following the above advice, put a motion to the next EC meeting and if they don’t do anything (or refuse to do anything) you can pursue them through a Section 138 where an NCAT adjudicator can order the EC to take action.

        Why would you do this rather than just take action yourself? To make it clear to your EC that their “do nothing” policy is a false economy.  They can either accept their responsibilities or double their costs by being taken to the Tribunal and then having to take action anyway.

        By the way, anyone who gets on to an EC with the intention of by-passing their responsibilities, just to save money, should be run out of town on a rail at the first opportunity.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #23756
        Costa
        Flatchatter
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          Thank you for checking and for your advice, JimmyT. You are right, I think. Here, the inaction of the EC and Strata Manager means anyone who has the gumption to highlight serious, blatant multiple breaches of the Act is hanging themselves out to dry.

          It’s more than highly defamatory anonymous posters put up at midnight too. Cars have been keyed, aerials and mirrors broken off. Whistleblowers’ (yep plural) cars clamped with $50 clamps by an unknown person. By the way, everyone knows who’s doing this stuff but there’s never any proof of course.

          I was wondering if the Executive Committee or Strata Manager have some sort of ‘duty of care’ when it comes to bullying, harassment and the safety of their constituents. The police and non-strata lawyers seem to think they do / should, or maybe they simply can’t believe they don’t.

          #23757
          excathedra
          Flatchatter

            Costa has described breaches of statute law as well as his scheme’s by-laws.  Unfortunately, as he acknowledges, his scheme does not have the evidence to achieve conviction(s) of the presumed offender in court. 

            Someone might have to be on the right spot at the right time to catch the offender in the act.  I haven’t done sums on the cost of CCTV and its associated supporting systems, but a scheme of 38 units might find it cost-effective (depending on layout and the number of cameras needed).

            It may not be an explicitly stated role of the Owners Corporation or its Executive Committee to resolve inter-personal disputes, and there are no by-laws against being ‘difficult’ — in isolation — but there are rules against interfering with the ‘quiet enjoyment’ of other residents, and complaints and Notices to Comply could be carefully framed to capture this.

            My submission to the review of the NSW Strata Act a few years ago (remember that, and the hope that it put into so many of our hearts?) included

            “Something that cannot be legislated in detail, but would be desirable in some sort of preamble to the Act, is an expectation that occupants observe not just the letter of their Scheme’s By-laws, but also the spirit of those that are (or should be) intended to facilitate living at close quarters and sharing facilities.”

            Can we live in hope that this could still come about, with a future Minister given strata affairs as a core responsibility and an opportunity to make a mark for future advancement?

             

            #23758
            Jimmy-T
            Keymaster

              The problem is that if you can’t prove who is doing these things, then you can’t expect the EC to act on allegations and accusations.

              But Excathedra is right.  Closed sircuit TV cameras or even webcams are incredibly cheap to install and even if they don’t gather evidence, they act as a deterrent.

              A by-law allowing the EC to monitor common property areas for security purposes would give them all the authority required.

              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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