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    Jimmy-T
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      Sydney’s unit blocks may soon get a feature they will share with pubs’ pokie parlours, as well as some overseas international airports. Apartment owners will soon be able to set up smoking zones on common property.

      The proposed zones are a sop to smokers who might otherwise be banned in a crackdown on smoke drift into neighbours’ apartments. However, reports earlier this year that smoke from barbecues would also be banned have been dismissed as a joke.

      Until now, smoking on common property – and that includes outside areas around unit blocks and in car parks – has been a no-no under most strata schemes’ by-laws, while smoking at the doorway of apartment blocks is against health regulations in NSW.

      However, in declaring fumes from smoking tobacco “and other substances” a nuisance – i.e. something that might do people harm – the new strata laws that come in next week make it easier for residents to pursue complaints against neighbours whose tobacco smoke drifts into their homes.

      This has prompted the government to create what they are calling a “safety valve” for unit blocks, especially those where smokers can’t easily avoid affecting their neighbours, for instance by smoking on balconies near to neighbours windows.

      The model by-laws, available to new strata schemes, contain an option to either ban smoking on common property completely or allow it in a designated smoking zone.  The smoking zone would have to be set up so that smoke did not drift into homes or on to nearby common property.

      Existing strata schemes could adopt a similar by-law when they undertake the compulsory reviews of their in-house rules that have to be completed within a year.

      The idea, a government spokesman told Domain, is to allow owners to crack down on smoking without having to ban it from buildings altogether.

      “This option is designed to give OCs the ability to restrict where people can smoke to a designated area of common property,” said Innovation and Better Regulation Minister Victor Dominello, the driving force behind the imminent strata law changes.

      The creation of smoking zones has generated a mixed response from the health community.

      “Cancer Council NSW welcomes the new model by-laws for strata schemes,” Scott Walsberger, Lead Prevention and Tobacco Control Manager at Cancer Council NSW, told Domain.

      “It’s good news for all tenants that smoking has, for the first time, been included in the new legislation as a potential nuisance or hazard. Secondhand smoke is harmful to health, and NSW tenants have the right to breathe clean air within their home.

      “These model by-laws are a good step forward towards protecting owners and tenants from smoke penetration and exposure to secondhand smoke. However, the best and most effective way of protecting owners and tenants from exposure to secondhand smoke is a complete ban on smoking within strata schemes.”

      “In theory, there’s merit in creating a smoking zone on common property,” says Karen Stiles, Executive Officer of the Owners Corporation Network, the peak body for strata residents. “But it will be up to each owners corporation to identify a suitable area that’s inoffensive to non-smoking residents.  If there is one.”

      Despite their qualified support for the new laws the NSW Cancer Council has reiterated its position that there is no safe level of secondhand smoke.

      “We recommend the adoption of a complete ban on smoking within strata schemes, including in individual lots,” Mr Walsberger said. “Cancer Council NSW has developed the Achieving smoke-free apartment living information kit for concerned tenants and owners who would like to advocate for a smoke-free by-law, particularly a 100 per cent smoke-free by-law.

      “The kit includes example wording for a by-law to completely ban smoking in the strata scheme. It’s available online at http://www.cancercouncil.com.au/smokefree.”

      Meanwhile a Fair Trading insider has scoffed at some media reports earlier this year that the new anti-smoking regulations would see the end of balcony barbecues.

      “We all had a good laugh at that,” he told Domain. “Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.”

      Jimmy Thomson writes the Flat Chat column every weekend in Domain and edits the strata living advice column flatchat.com.au.

      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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      Felix
      Flatchatter

        I note the post on smoking zones planned for apartment blocks and the last 2 paragraphs in it referring to balcony barbecues.  Frankly I do not fully understand what they are saying!

        I do understand however an article in this mornings Sunday Telegraph on the lower left hand corner of page 28 which states:

        “Barbie blaze sparks Panic”

        A dodgy barbecue is believed to have sparked a fire in a unit block in Sydney’s north.

        Energy services were called to the Lindfield block shortly before 11PM on Friday.

        The blaze is thought to have started on the balcony of the second-storey unit when the barbecue’s gas bottle exploded before spreading into the lounge room, causing extensive damage.  

        Residents of the building were evacuated while fire crews put out the blaze.

         

        Now I’ve read about these fires time and again over the last few years and nothing seems to be being done about it.

        We’ve already had the deaths in Bankstown a few years ago and it appears that something similar will happen again if something is not done about the controls.

        Of course if something happens like that, it will have been too late.

        Under the new legislation taking place in a few days, can an OC issue a by-law to ban barbecues from balconies?

        Would a gas barbecue be treated differently than a coal fired or other type of barbecue?

        It would seem to me that banning of barbecues would be a much more important issue than providing smoking zones particularly for smaller stratas.

        Our strata is a block of 32 units in NSW.

        #25871
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster
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          @Felix said:
          I note the post on smoking zones planned for apartment blocks and the last 2 paragraphs in it referring to balcony barbecues.  Frankly I do not fully understand what they are saying!

          They are referring to newspaper reports earlier this year saying anti-smoking laws would mean balcony barbecues would be banned.  Sadly, those reports were wildly inaccurate.  

          I think balcony barbecues are the ultimate expression of strata selfishness (not to mention stupidity) but I am a voice in the wilderness.

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #25875
          Lady Penelope
          Strataguru

            There are three different types of BBQs: Gas; charcoal; and electric.

            The smokiest BBQs are the charcoal BBQs, followed by gas (particularly if the drip tray is not cleaned), with electric BBQs producing barely any smoke at all.

            There could be an argument for banning charcoal BBQs on balconies, and gas BBQs that use a smoker box ….. but there is no practical reason for banning electric BBQs.

            Charcoal BBQs have the added problems of getting rid of the ash. 

            See here for suggestions for by law conditions that could be placed on gas BBQs on balconies to make them safer, although enforcement is always an issue:

            https://www.elgas.com.au/blog/391-using-a-gas-bbq-on-a-unit-balcony

            Electric BBQs are definitely best for city dwellers who are prohibited by fire regulations from using gas or charcoal grills. Many strata schemes only permit electric BBQs with all other BBQ types being banned.

            #25883
            Jimmy-T
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              @proudsceptic
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              Electric BBQs are definitely best for city dwellers who are prohibited by fire regulations from using gas or charcoal grills. 

              Are you saying city dwellers ARE banned from using gas barbecues – or just that some are and electric barbies are a good alternative if that applies?

              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
              #25885
              Felix
              Flatchatter

                This is what I’m getting at!

                Where does it state that City dwellers are prohibited from using gas or charcoal grills by fire regulations ?

                I think it’s a good idea that strata schemes only permit electric BBQs with all other BBQ types being banned and that’s what some Owners would like to implement in this Strata.

                Can the OC introduce a by-law to this effect banning the use of gas and charcoal BBQs and only allowing electric BBQs?

                Also what can be done with residents who are already using gas BBQs?

                Please advise!

                #25886
                Jimmy-T
                Keymaster
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                  Owners corporations can ban any kind of barbecue they like, provided they have support for a by-law.  

                  The balcony is common property in most schemes, and many ban charcoal for health and safety reasons while some ban barbecues entirely because they are pretty disgusting if they aren’t cleaned properly after every use. 

                  The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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