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06/08/2012 at 3:13 pm #8308Anonymous
Flat Chatters, please. What do you think of the following letter I receive from strata manager after I email a couple of executive committee members about something I thought was being done that was wrong.
Hi Juan
Do not copy or send any emails to the committee please, as said by the minutes from the last meeting.
All emails and letters are to be through me.
The committee are volunteers and have little time to deal with all matters.
The purpose of having me as the strata manager is to deal with your issues and if needs be copy the committee when I believe it is necessary.
Please assist in this way.
Fred
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06/08/2012 at 4:28 pm #16102
We have always encouraged our owners/residents to go via the SM with any issues that needed attending too. The SM is there 5 days a week, 9-5, to handle any correspondence and to attend to anything of urgency. Members of your EC probably work 5 days a week, 9-5, so are not there to attend to correspondence from the complex every single day!
We had instances here where owners left a note under the door of a committee member. There is no record, its not official, and when it gets stuck under the door mat, its not seen! And sending email to EC members directly, well alot of people do not necessarily check their email each and every day.
By sending correspondence to the SM, there is a more official “paper” trail. The SM should note the correspondence, can attend to matters that need immediate attention themselves (safety usually) and can advise the EC of an issue that needs their attention/decision. The SM can then follow up and ask for a reply.
06/08/2012 at 9:11 pm #16110It really comes down to how the EC wants to work with the strata manager. The EC has the final responsibility but could direct things to go this way. I can see merit in that, paper trails and a filter for the subset of owners who can communicate a bit too much.
However, our EC goes the other way. We want to hear what is happening and decide whether to deal with it ourselves or direct the manager to address the issue a particular way.
The EC should be clear on who is boss and who is a service provider. The tail should not wag the dog.
07/08/2012 at 6:07 am #16111@Juan Durection said:
Flat Chatters, please. What do you think of the following letter I receive from strata manager after I email a couple of executive committee members about something I thought was being done that was wrong.Hi Juan
Do not copy or send any emails to the committee please, as said by the minutes from the last meeting.
All emails and letters are to be through me.
The committee are volunteers and have little time to deal with all matters.
The purpose of having me as the strata manager is to deal with your issues and if needs be copy the committee when I believe it is necessary.
Please assist in this way.
Fred
Actually Fred/Juan,
If I received that letter I would have just accepted that is the way the EC works. All correspondence through the SM.
Our EC accepts written (not emails!!!) in the Secretary’s designated letter box, or via the SM.
It looks like you … did not attend or read the Minutes of the last (committee) meeting.*
Maybe you, (and others) had been harassing the EC with multiple contact about things that you believe have not been ‘done’ correctly.
[*Post moderated – JT]
07/08/2012 at 9:04 am #16112AnonymousFlatChatFan said
Maybe you, (and others) had been harassing the EC with multiple contact about things that you believe have not been ‘done’ correctly.
Is there a moderator in the Forum? FlatChatFan makes some wrong assumptions here then wields them like big stick.
[Yes, I’m here. I’m torn (yet again) between allowing a lively discussion and not wanting it to get too personal. Let’s all just take a chill pill … – JT]
07/08/2012 at 9:35 am #16113Juan, your EC has obviously decided they want all correspondence to be filtered through the Strata Manager (see reference in Fred’s letter to the EC minutes) and, as Struggler pointed out, that way there is a paper trail of some sort if people deny ever having heard there was a problem.
We’ve also heard that some ECs prefer not to publicise their email addresses or phone numbers, while others do.
If you think your EC needs to be more directly accessible, then it’s something you need to bring up at your next AGM and, if you feel strongly enough, you could run a ‘ticket’ of more communicative candidates.
If you’re worried about the Strata Manager filtering out valid issues, that’s another thing you can raise at your AGM or by presenting a motion for consideration by the EC that the Strata manager has to at least provide the Secretary with a list of communications received and that list has to be noted at each EC meeting.
The EC can decide the way they want to run things and if you think differently, you can propose a motion at the next AGM insisting that they change their methods. I’m guessing here, but I would think you’d get mass resignations.
The one obvious problem in having the Strata Manager as the communications gatekeeper is where the complaints and questions are about the SM. It’s a bit like writing to a company’s website to complain about how the website is run – who gets to read the complaint first?
But there are plenty of other ways around that, including a direct appeal to the other owners who are, after all, the bosses of both the EC and the Strata Manager.
The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
07/08/2012 at 9:46 am #16114AnonymousThings move fast in this forum. I found FlatChatFan’s post offensive. Insulting. Wrong assumptions based on nothing.
In our block it’s like a Catch 22 or Tail Wagging the Dog or some other cliche. If we speak to the strata manager, he tells the committee half the story so he don’t look so bad. When the committee reply back to him, he again tells half the story or twists it, to suit himself. He protects his turf and fees. Strata manager says he can only do what the committee says, but he tells the committee what to do and they are too lazy or thoughtless to disagree. Why be on the committee?
08/08/2012 at 8:54 am #16131@Juan Durection said:
“In our block it’s like a Catch 22 ……why be on the committee?”Hi Juan – that last point seems most pertinent: to my way of thinking, that is when you would nominate yourself to be on the EC at the next AGM to effect the changes from within.
08/08/2012 at 4:32 pm #16138Anonymousmattb, thanks for your thought, bro. I would like to be on but they got the committee sown-up. No one else can get on it. I mean, why do they want to be on the committee if they’re not wanting to hear anything about what goes on? Strata Manager doesn’t do anything much.
08/08/2012 at 5:42 pm #16140Hi Juan. You say “if we speak to the strata manager” are actually just verbally telling him something? If so, can I suggest you back up any conversation with an email starting with “further to our phone call of this morning” then restate what you had told him. Them, if he passes on the wrong or incomplete information, you can then send the email starting “please refer to my email of xx/xx/xx…..”. This is how I have dealt with our SM. Has everything gone smoothly with this method? No. But I have it all in writing. I ask them to explain themselves. And then have them come grovelling, making excuses etc. But then the work gets done and alls well. Until the next time and the process starts again. But if you only have a “verbal” it’s your word against his.
Get the paper trail happening. It’s the way to go.
09/08/2012 at 6:07 am #16146Hi Struggler,
Emails seem to be what the problem was in the beginning. The SM asked Mr Direction to stop copying emails to Committee members.
Something that had already been discussed (and probably on the Minutes) of either the EC meeting or the AGM.
09/08/2012 at 9:37 am #16149AnonymousHi again all. Wanting to sort issues out, I have been and looked at my strata’s files at strata manager’s office. All over the place. No copies of emails from me, the committee. Everything in a box together, not separated out. I was very surprised at the mess. They even knew I, an owner, was coming and seemed not to care.
The strata manager is a big one. Shouldn’t everything be neat and tidy and easy to find? What are your experiences please?
It seems they (executive committee and strata manager are trying to make it as hard as possible, like a puzzle.)
10/08/2012 at 6:03 am #16154@Juan Durection said:
Flat Chatters, please. What do you think of the following letter I receive from strata manager after I email a couple of executive committee members about something I thought was being done that was wrong.
Hi again Juan,
No offense meant in my first post, just that there have been other threads where people have resigned from Executive Committees because of the number of owners who approach them directly.
What was the ‘something’ you thought that was not done correctly?
Maybe Flat Chatters would be able to give more directed advice?
10/08/2012 at 11:03 am #16158AnonymousFlatChatFan asks what something I thought was being done that was wrong in my first post in this thread. I could have told many, many wrong things done and right things not done.
I’ll start with the chairman paving and planting bushes on the common property garden outside his own ground floor unit while the rest of the garden is a mess. One wrong thing done and one right thing not done. As I say there are many others.
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