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    I have a question in regards to a common property in our
    building which was sold few years ago.

    I purchased a unit 2 years ago and only moved in around 12
    months ago. When I bought the property the strata plan had two common properties listed on it. One was a common property store room, the other one was common property plant room.

    I have now discovered that around 5 years ago these two
    rooms were sold to an individual who was a member of the EC at the time, in fact he was a treasurer.

    So, at an AGM 5 years ago he obtained 4 proxies and basically
    it was only him and the strata manager who attended the AGM. So, during this AGM, the 2 common property rooms were sold by a treasurer to himself as a buyer, and he signed and approved the transaction on behalf of the body corporate. The sum that this was sold for was only $12,000 which is a ridiculously low price and this area has been renovated and now it is being used as commercial property.

    How can a treasurer sell a common property (and sign this
    transaction) to himself? Isn’t this a conflict of interest? I was advised that
    all of this was legal as he had the proxies, no-one objected, etc. However, the price was only $12,000 which was way below market price, there were only 2 people present at the AGM. On top of this, current EC members don’t know where the $12,000 went and they have raised this issue with the strata company, but they never heard back.. On top of this, his strata levies are significantly lower compared to other commercial properties in the building, on the same floor, with very similar size. Isn’t there an issue of OH&S here as well, as one of the rooms was a Common Property Plant Room and as far as I am aware it had something to do with air conditioning and ventilation of the building.

    Thanks

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  • #14948
    Jimmy-T
    Keymaster

      There’s no specific conflict of interest, if, as he says, it was all done with the appropraite number of votes. However, there is a legal principle that applies called something like “fraud of the minority’ which has been used for situations exactly like this. Get together with some other owners and talk to a strata lawyer about getting more money out of the owner and adjusting the Unit Entitlements while you’re at it.

      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
      #14950

      Thank you Jimmy for your answer, highly appreciated.

      In situation like this, when you have only 1 person at the
      AGM (not including strata manager), does this constitute a quorum, or does the fact that he had proxies means that’s good enough?

       I suppose undervaluation of the property would fall under the “fraud of the minority” as the realistic market price for a property like this would be at least $300,000.
      Because most owners don’t really bother coming to AGMs as they are investors, I find it amazing that an individual can use this to his advantage and acquire a property in a simple manner like this. So, for the argument sake there are 2 or 3 owners that are the only people that go to AGMs. What is stopping them from selling all the common properties in the building to themselves for $1.00 and then the next day selling it for $1 million. Is it only the “fraud of minority” that offers some
      protection to other owners, or are some other regulations which relate to maybe building safety or something similar.

      I suppose once the property is sold, most owners will not want to get into court cases and spend money on a very uncertain outcome.  

      Thanks

      #14951
      Anonymous

        Presumably this would have needed some sort of 'Super-dooper Special Resolution' at the AGM, properly notified with all the information about prices etc., which got approved. Might be worth checking the agenda and minutes again. I bet there's something tricky went on.

        One would think it might be challenged and overturned, however that's done, at another General Meeting, perhaps?

        #14969
        scotlandx
        Strataguru

          Technically common property isn't sold to a person, they are granted exclusive use of it.  To do that the owners corporation needs to be approve a special by-law, and that has to be by way of a special resolution.  Ordinarily the by-law will have conditions attached to it relating to the person who has exclusive use being responsible for its maintenance etc.

          The by-law also has to be registered.  Was a by-law passed by special resolution and if so, was it registered?  I would check the minutes as a matter of urgency.  You should also check the financials to see if the $12,000 was paid.  If there was/is no by-law then query whether the person has the right to exclusive use of that area.

          Where someone is being given exclusive use of a part of the property usually a valuation is done, taking the improved value and deducting the cost of any improvements the person has done to it – the difference should be paid to the owners corporation.  This is because the common property is owned by all the owners and therefore they should be compensated for no longer having use of/entitlement to the area.

          The whole thing does sound dodgy, but I think there was a quorum because the treasurer had the proxies.  The question then is was the meeting properly convened, was there a special resolution etc?  The other strange thing is on the strata plan you had 2 years ago, this was showing as common property and you bought on that basis, so what is the strata plan showing now?  Was that strata plan provided to you by the vendor, because you could also have a right of action against them.

          This is the section of the Act dealing with exclusive use.

          52 How does an owners corporation make, amend or repeal by-laws conferring certain rights or privileges?

          (1) An owners corporation may make, amend or repeal a by-law to which this Division applies, but only:

          (a) with the written consent of the owner or owners of the lot or lots concerned and, in the case of a strata leasehold scheme, the lessor of the scheme, and

          (b) in accordance with a special resolution.

          (2) A by-law to which this Division applies may be made even though the person on whom the right of exclusive use and enjoyment or the special privileges are to be conferred had that exclusive use or enjoyment or enjoyed those special privileges before the making of the by-law.

          (3) After 2 years from the making, or purported making, of a by-law to which this Division applies, it is conclusively presumed that all conditions and preliminary steps precedent to the making of the by-law were complied with and performed.

          #14458
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster

            Just thought I'd add to the confsuion …the following section of the Strata Act says this:

            110   What powers does an owners corporation have to borrow money and otherwise deal with property?

            (2)  An owners corporation may dispose of or otherwise deal with any lot vested in the owners corporation as a result of a subdivision effected under section 9 of the Strata Schemes (Freehold Development) Act 1973 or section 11 of the Strata Schemes (Leasehold Development) Act 1986.

            (3)  Section 50 (1) (d) of the Interpretation Act 1987does not apply to an owners corporation.

            Note. Section 50 (1) (d) of the Interpretation Act 1987 provides that a statutory corporation may, for the purpose of enabling it to exercise its functions, purchase, exchange, take on lease, hold, dispose of and otherwise deal with property.

            I'm not a lawyer – if I were, I might understand why these two clauses seem to be contradictory.  Anyone got any ideas?

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            #14451
            Anonymous

              Goodness this is a complicated and intriguing one! I suspect it won't be sorted out without a couple of lawyers getting a bit richer. What a shame.

              #14976
              scotlandx
              Strataguru

                It is confusing but they aren't contradictory.  Section 110 refers to a situation where you subdivide the common property and create a new lot or lots (so it is no longer common property), which is then transferred to another party.  That is a far more complicated process, you need to register a new strata plan and transfer of the lot, and certify that the owners corporation has passed a special resolution to approve the transfer.  I doubt very much if that was done in this case.

                Therefore you would usually go the exclusive use route because it is much simpler.

                #14977
                Jimmy-T
                Keymaster

                  Aaah, now I get it. And in Strata, more than anywhere else, the simpler the better.

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                  #14979
                  scotlandx
                  Strataguru

                    Also you would usually do that where you were doing something like slicing off a piece of land that forms part of the common property.

                    Note that to pass a by-law that will deprive others of the use of common property you need the written consent of all the owners, refer section 52.  In this case, from what has been outlined, this hasn't occurred.

                    #14982

                    Hi everyone and thanks for your comments, I really
                    appreciate it. I am completely new to strata so this is a great help. Here is what I think about all of this:

                     1) By-Laws and Special Resolution: this is something that I need to investigate as I am not sure at this stage. I need to find out if this was done by granting exclusive use of the property or was this Section 110 situation, transfer to another party.

                     2) Based on some research that I have been doing over the
                    past few days, for any motion to be voted on, there must be a quorum of 25% of owners eligible to vote (attend in person), regardless of the proxies.  A motion or special resolution to be passed has to have UNANIMOUS resolution requiring 100% majority vote (e.g. the sale of common property). This AGM was attended only by 1 person plus the strata manager, so taking this into concern, already there is an issue here.  Why didn’t the strata manager stop this resolution from being passed if there was no quorum?

                    3) On top of this, using proxies to vote on a matter which will bring financial benefit to a proxy holder is something that could be classified as “fraud on a power” (possibly).

                    4) Another thing is the adequacy of compensation as this renovated common property (now used as commercial property) can now be sold for minimum $300k (or at the time probably $250k), and yet a compensation of only $12k was made, and we still don’t know where it went, but we will push the strata manager for an answer. So, taking the valuation formula into concern ”improved value and deducting the cost of any improvements the person has done to it – the difference should be paid to the owners corporation” owners corporation should have definitely received more than $12k.

                    5) Strata Plan – 3 new owners which bought the properties in the last 2 years were all issued a strata plan which has these 2 common properties listed, yet this common property “transaction” took place in 2007. I suppose between 2007 and 2010 a new updated strata plan
                    had to be issued. This might be a naive question, but is the strata management company responsible for updating the building’s strata plan or the owners corporation? Who has the legal obligation for doing this? As i recall, the strata plan that I received was given to me by the solicitor who employed the services of a company that did the building check and strata report. Nowhere in the report, this transaction, new by-laws and changes to the strata plan are mentioned whatsoever.

                    6) Also, air conditioning equipment/machines was in one the rooms, and this has been removed and no-one knows what happened to it. As a result, our ventilation in the security parking under the building doesn’t work, so we have these air conditioners and big metal ventilation silver pipes which can’t be used anymore as they are not connected to the plant room anymore.

                     

                    I suppose what Urban Spacemen said that this can’t be sorted out without a couple of lawyers getting a bit richer is quite true and none of us want to get involved in lengthy and costly court cases, etc.

                    In a way we are thinking what happened in the past happened, let’s turn another page and start all over again. If I can prove that strata management company knew that this transaction is “highly suspicious” (don’t want to use the word illegal) and they did nothing about it, then I have a strong case to argue to other owners that it’s
                    time to change the strata company and at the same time adjust the unit of entitlements as this individual is now paying less in quarterly levies than other commercial properties on the same floor, even though he has more m2 than others which this is another weird thing.

                     

                    Thanks everyone for your comments.

                    #14992
                    Anonymous

                      Sounds about right sbbkbb, turn another page. It must have been quite an exercise ferreting out all the information.

                      I would just love to know who the Strata Manager was. Or simply… ahh hemm… are they a… big company with branches in most states if not all?

                      #15011

                      It's a big company with branches all over the country, so if you can't trust them, who can you trust then 🙂 crazy…..

                      #15015
                      Jimmy-T
                      Keymaster

                        sbbkbb said:

                        It's a big company with branches all over the country, so if you can't trust them, who can you trust then 🙂 crazy…..

                        Don't confuse the strata manager with the strata management company. There are some excellent strata management companies with crap managers and vice versa. That's why when you are hring a new SM you should ask to meet the person who'll be handling your account, not just the owner of the business.

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                        #15029
                        Anonymous

                          I think you should be able to expect a high level of service from your strata management company if it's 'a big company with branches all over the country', regardless of who your actual strata manager is. That seems reasonable.

                          #15032
                          Jimmy-T
                          Keymaster

                            I agree you are entitled to expect and even demand good service but you have to be realistic.

                            Do you condemn a company because one person in it isn't up to scratch?  Do you rain plaudits on an otherwise rubbish operator because one middle manager knows what he or she is doing?

                            The larger and more widespread a company is, the broader and deeper the range of experience and skill is likely to be.  The benefit of a big company, however, is that there are other people who can step in if things go pear-shaped.

                            Or am I completely nuts here and is Strata Management different from every other kind of large company on the planet?

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