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    RSP

      G'day all… Has anyone had any experience in turning a kitchen into a bathroom (8th floor high-rise)… I have two side-by-side apartments and I want to turn one of the kitchens into a bedroom ensuite… I'm not sure what's involved apart from the obvious) but I'm guessing pipes will be different diameters and I'm wondering how one goes about laying new (or larger) pipes in an apartment… Any advice would be appreciated…

      Cheers

      RSP

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    • #13935

      Hi RSP,

      You will find that most of the pipes are contained within the walls, floor/ceiling space of the unit below or may be in a service duct, but you will need to locate these as a starting point to work out what needs to be done.

      You will need to arrange a plan to be prepared showing what is currently in place and another showing what you intend to do. I would also suggest it would be prudent seeking an exclusive use by-law to be prepared, granting you the rights to do the works and defining responsibility to maintain, extending to the total joining of the apartment.

      Mr S

      #13937
      RSP

        Thanks Mr Strata,

         

        The building is quite new (5 years) and high rise so Im guessing all outer walls and floors are concrete with pipes imbedded .. Have you ever heard of anyone cutting into a concrete floor to rechannel pipes?

         

        Cheers

        RSP

        #13946

        RSP,

        No I have not heard of this idea, and you may want to get some engineering advice before you do this, as it would considerably weaken the slab. Keep in mind your obligations under section 116 of the act, which would require you to submit engineering certification regarding these proposed works.

        I have seen an owner install a false floor within their apartment to accommodate the plumbing under the floor, but I understand that there is a minimum floor to ceiling height defined in the building code, so this could be an issue.

        Mr S

        #13982
        Whale
        Flatchatter

          Hi RSP – If your side-by-side apartments are separate Lots within your Strata Plan and you're talking about physically amalgamating those, then there's a lot of work involved including valuations and the preparation and lodgement of an Application for a Strata Sub-Division with the Land & Property Management Authority (in NSW).

          I won't go into the detail now just in case your apartments are not as described, but otherwise post back to the Forum for further advice.  

          #13990
          RSP

            Thanks Whale…  If you mean two apartments that share a wall then that's right.. The plan would be to punch a large hole in the wall to turn the apartments into a single apartment.. Hence the reason I want to convert a kitchen into an ensuite… not much use for two kitchens 😉

            The apartments are in Brisbane but I'm assuming QLD and NSW would have similar hoops to jump through… I expect I would need to get engineering and design plans done, if only to convince the body corporate to let me do it… I also anticipate new valuations etc to satisfy city council rate recalculations… 

            That said, I'm hoping all of this would simply be a matter of finding the right one-stop-shop company that would do all this for me – for a price of course… Any ideas if such a company exists ?

            RSP

            #14004
            Whale
            Flatchatter

              The last I knew, Strata Title administration in Queensland was handled by the Office of Tourism, Fair Trading, and Wine Industry Development, and Land Titles were under the Department of Environment and Resources (or similar); all that probably makes sense in QLD!

              Seriously though, in NSW the bureaucracy involved in amalgamating two Lots in a Strata Scheme is exactly the same as that which applies when a Developer wants to Strata Title an new apartment block containing 100s of Lots.

              You're on the right track though with engineering and design plans, and valuations, but I don't know of a one-stop-shop. Perhaps start with the Local Council who would receive similar proposals albeit on a larger scale than you propose.

              Any Qld posters reading this may be better able to assist.

              #14005
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                If this was in NSW I'd be recommending Integrated Building Consultants (IBC) because they cover all the bases and seem to be a decent bunch and good operators.  Surely there's something similar up north.

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                #14038

                Not sure if this is what you are looking for in terms of advice but this might help: In most cases, there is always a 100mm stack (pipe riser) and then it branches  into a smaller pipe, it is always good to try and work your layout around this pipe.

                The only tricky bit is that by law you need a floor waste in the bathroom. This is difficult because it is the only pipe you need below floor level (and in a kitchen there is no such pipe). All the others are above ground so you can work around them.

                If you cannot get a pipe below floor level , what can be done is that a dry floor waste be installed (not connected to sewer). Then this gets installed close to the outside wall ,which involves coring a hole from just below finished floor level. It goes out the wall to the outside.

                The only time water will discharge through this is when there has been a flood in the bathroom. When doing it this way always need to remember to install a vermin proof flap.

                #14047
                RSP

                  Thanks Pipeman.. Looking at your web page you are clearly a professional.. which bodes badly for me… This advice could be a war stopper for me as I am pretty sure the BC will not let me drill a hole through the outer wall.. And I'm guessing they will not let me cut a channel through the slab to the nearest bathroom either… Cry

                  #14054

                  Give it a go, you never know your luck. But if you aren’t allowed to core to the outside, you could try this:

                  Forget the dry waste idea. Instead, you could create the floor waste by raising your floor level (if your ceiling height allows). You can run your waste pipe into the kitchen stack (this is an internal pipe). 

                  If you can imagine, you’ll be stepping up into your new bathroom and the pipework will sit under that floor.

                  Your waste pipe from your kitchen sink will tell you where the stack is.

                  #14067
                  RSP

                    So where there's a will there might be a way Confused Great, I'll explore this option… Thanks PipeMan.. Laugh

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