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    justsaying
    Flatchatter

      This week another issue with the executive committee. There was an AGM mid year. No agenda items listed regarding CCTV cameras painting or new carpets for the next year. The discussion about carpets was raised about choice and we were advised.. It was replacement only no change, although “they did have samples but not at the meeting”! 
      Some weeks ago a note was left under the door advising residents to look at paint samples located on one foyer. No explanation about the sample and application. I wrote immediately stating it was a change of colour and needed general approval. This was ignored and today I arrived home to see a new colour palette on the walls and doors. This EC is continuing to make changes without resolution . Finally we have a new strata manager who advised me that some of the works will be taken to the next AGM for approval. However she advised me that her understanding was the paint work was unchanged! The painters confirmed it was a complete colour change ” the EC wanted a deeper range”! 
      Do I file for mediation ? How can we stop this EC who after loads of objection and advice continue to make changes. Unfortunately, most of the owners are investors so notes left under doors never reach the owners.
      Your suggestions and recommendations most welcome
      Thank you

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    • #20339
      kiwipaul
      Flatchatter

        Changes to common property require a Special Resoloution carried by a 75% majourity at a GM (EC cannot authorize changes).

        You could advise them that if they keep making changes without an approved SR you will take them to CTTT to have them pay to restore the situation.

        Also advise the SM not to pay any invoices or authorize any work unless a SR has been approved at a GM (for changes not general maintenance). Work can be approved retrospectively but for changes it requires a SR and so make sure this is what is on the agenda.

        If these people have the numbers you have a problem.

        #20371
        justsaying
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Hi everyone

          i was asking for suggestions and thank you for the reply. I thought it may help others if I explain the following info. I contacted OFT who was  very helpful. Basically, I need to file three forms, application for mediation, interim order and adjudication. The interim order is to stop more unauthorised expenditure and to demand full accounting of funds. Question of removing a committee that is fully aware that they have breached the Act is currently being discussed by owners. the other two applications follow the interim order. Applications going in next week with all the minutes .

          The painting to the foyers has ceased with doors half painted and patched…. A lovely welcome for guests at this time!

          No response from any letters, although other owners have managed to speak to the strata manager. We will definitely attend EC meetings now, so that’s positive.

          I’ ll keep you posted on the progression , in general practical terms

          thanks again 

          #21127
          justsaying
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            Hi everyone following my first post I took advice and asked for an interim order to stop the unauthorised work by the EC. This was rejected BECAUSE. No financial restriction was placed at the AGM… Memo to all! 

            This week I went to mediation. No ECM appeared they were represented by the strata manager. In the discussion I pointed out that I understood as part of the Act, changes to common areas needed to be approved at a general meeting. SM advised that the EC as part of their role can make changes to the existing colour scheme because the paint was there not an addition? Some years ago we took the change to the paint scheme to a AGM gave a powerpoint presentation with options etc and got approval. Is this not necessary? 

            What is occurring now, is a new colour scheme, different to the approved external colour scheme, with no link to the upgraded colour scheme. 

            I requested all of the unauthorised work is taken to a general meeting, all but the paintwork was agreed. The comment from SM “put five solicitors in a room and all will disagree with this section of the Act”.

            What chance does an owner have to understand the Act.

            advice please on the best way to put a motion regarding reasonable restrictions and to make sure work is undertaken in the correct manner

            thank you

            #21149
            justsaying
            Flatchatter
            Chat-starter

              Would someone answer my question about the painting of the external foyers, please. To recap, general approval was obtained some years ago to repaint the external areas in a new colour scheme… presented via PowerPoint at AGM, the internal foyers was not part of the proposal. 

              This year without consultation a new colour scheme has been painted on this area… 8 foyers. The EC received objections ..the SM advised the EC has the right to change the colour scheme? I understood that general resolution was required? 

              I would really appreciate some advice, I live in nsw thank you very much

              #21151
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                @justsaying said:
                Would someone answer my question about the painting of the external foyers, please. 

                Every question like this has three parts.

                1. Did anyone do anything wrong?

                2. How wrong was it?

                3. What can be done about it (and what do you want done about it)?

                To answer No.1, did the EC have a subsequent meeting after the original meeting to discuss the painting of the additional areas? If not, the painting is unauthorised and whoever ordered it could be personally liable. If they did have a meeting, properly agendad and minuted, then you’re probably out of luck becasue they will argue that they had authority to paint foyers and then had the opportunity to do more presumably at a better price.

                The answer to 2 would only matter if the cost of the painting was excessive and someone who authorised it was in some way connected with the painters. the colour issue is highly subjective and probably won’t fly at an adjudiaction.

                Finally, what can be done about it? I f there is corruption, a failure to tell owners this was happening, no meeting or gross incompetence, you could maybe run a case at NCAT the the individual who ordered the painting be ordered to pay fro the re-painting of the foyers to their original colour or, at least, pay for the paint that nobody likes.

                Your chances of success – I’d say minimal … unless you can prove this was one or two people acting without authority and with an ulterior motive.

                 

                 

                 

                 

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                #21155
                justsaying
                Flatchatter
                Chat-starter

                  Thanks jimmy for your response. at the AGM no agenda item at all, just a budget line for carpets, painting etc. no other mention has been minuted about change of colour scheme . While I understand your comments, it seems odd that an EC can make a decision to change a complete colour scheme, when the EC several years ago was advised that owners needed to get general resolution to make these changes. this was duly done and presented for approval. I understand that paint colour is subjective,however when the rest of the scheme has been upgraded to a more modern palette then surely some consultation with owners would have been more democratic ?

                  The law states the EC can only repair and maintain. Clearly this is subject to interpretation !! 

                  it seems that owners have no security about their property and the law  if these cowboys ultimately make decisions without general resolution. 

                  Thank you for the opportunity to discuss issues in this forum, together with other owners we plan to submit a number of items for the next general meeting, as well as suggesting some type of financial restrictions !

                  #21161
                  justsaying
                  Flatchatter
                  Chat-starter

                    I should qualify my last post.Owners approved the upgrade of colour scheme to the external building alone several years ago at the AGM.. The approval was not  extended to the internal foyers at that time .

                    my issue remains that the EC without consultation decided to choose another colour scheme that is not consistent with the new colour palette. ECM minutes do not mention that the scheme would have a change so resident  owners / investor owners have no knowledge of this change. Some residents got a note under the door advising of the change and how to lodge an objection. Objections were lodged and this was dismissed without any reply stating the reason the work was to proceed.

                    i hope this note is clearer about the way we owners feel about works without authority

                    #21182
                    imported_dech
                    Blocked

                      I would think a colour change is clearly an alteration to common property requiring a special res. at a GM.  Fluro pink/green combo anyone/ It’s a substantial issue.

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