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    i have water hammer coming from a neighbour but none will let plumber in to suss problem?they are completely ignoring my request to call a plumber as they are too cheap to fix water hammer from their apartment

    once found who pays??Confused

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  • #19837
    Jimmy-T
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      This is a bit complicated so bear with me.  Some of the plumbing causing the water hammer may belong to the unit owner, some of it may be common property.

      As a general principle, plumbing is an Owners Corp responsibility while it is inside a wall and it becomes the unit owner’s responsibility when it emerges (such as with a tap or shower head)

      However, if the owner has done a radical redesign of their kitchen or bathroom, they may have caused the problem.  If they have changed common property piping without permission, it would explain why they are reluctant to let plumbers in.

      Under section 65 of the Act, the Owners Corporation (Body Corp) is entitled to enter a unit to maintain and repair common property – or even to see if repairs are required.  However, except in an emergency,  they can’t just rock up and demand entry if the owner won’t allow them in.

      They have to apply to the CTTT for an order under section 145 and if the owner still doesn’t allow them in, they can apply for a penalty for ignoring a CTTT order (up to $5500).

      In an emergency – say a flood that is affecting other units – the Owners Corp’s workers can gain forced entry to fix the problem. They are liable for repairs to damages caused in gaining entry unless the owner deliberately prevented them from entering, in which case they wear the costs.

      As for who pays (in a non-forced entry scenario) it depends whose plumbing is causing the problem – either the Owners Corp or the unit owner.  But it’s not the person suffering the noise of the water hammer.

      You need your EC chair or your strata manager to explain that the Owners Corp’s plumbers will be coming in whether the unit owner wants them to or not.  So he or she can set a time that suits or the Owners Corp will go ahead and make their own arrangements.

      Oh, and if the Owners Corp or strata manager tries the old “not our problem – this is a dispute between two neighbours” line, point them in the direction of section 62 of the Act which says: “An owners corporation must properly maintain and keep in a state of good and serviceable repair the common property and any personal property vested in the owners corporation.”

       

      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
      #19838
      Austman
      Flatchatter

        ust to add that it can also depend on where you live.

        In Victoria (and it seems in the ACT?)  a service (eg water) becomes an owner responsibility from where it branches to serve just the owner’s lot.   And this is regardless of whether it goes through common property or not.

        It can be complex at times. 

        Unless it’s obviously the owner’s responsibility, our OC would initiate an investigation or repair and then charge, or partly charge,  the owner (or attempt to) if it ends up being an owner responsibility.

        #20169

        I got a similar issue.

         

        But it seems to be a Catch 22 in terms of spending the Owner Corp’s money i.e., the only way to determine who is responsible (the OC or the owner of the other unit) with certainty is for the OC to send a plumber anyway to take a look.

        Isn’t there a smarter way?

        #20270
        artarmonite
        Flatchatter

          In our block of 18 units we had a similar problem. One of the residents who is a plumber told us to all turn off the water supply to washing machines if they are front loaders. To our astonishment we found that it did reduce the problem to an acceptable level.

          To get everyone to turn the water off was difficult at first but once we did it and people realized it worked it has become second nature for everyone. Whenever a new person moves in we put a friendly note in their letter box about it.

          The amazing thing is that it costs nothing.

          #20272
          artarmonite
          Flatchatter

            Just thought I had better clarify my last post. I meant that we keep our washing machines with the water turned off when we are not using them.

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