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    Hi,

     

    I am the secretary of an exec committee for a complex with around 45 units.  the committee was formed by a group who all bought off plan when the development was built nearly 4 years ago.  We are largely lacking in experience and I feel like we have been on the back foot from day 1.

     

    What hasn't helped has been a lack of guidance and contact from our strata management company.  After the first 18 months we moved to a different company but things aren't working out amazingly there either. 

    I was wondering if anyone is aware of any resources around what we should expect from a good strata management company.  Maybe we are expecting too much or maybe in the past we have demanded too little.  It may be that we aren't paying enough for our manager and are therefore too far down their pecking order.

    I would be really grateful for any information anyone can provide.

    Thanks!

    Jen

     

     

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    Hi Jen,

    The first place to look to see what you should be getting from your Strata Manager (SM) is your agency agreement. If you have a good SM they will be using an istm agreement and the agreed services will be listed in schedules A1 and A2 of the agreement, firstly showing what authority they have to do what services and secondly showing what is included in the management fee and what can be done for an additional cost.

    You must also be cognizant of the old saying ‘you get what you pay for’. If you have a low management fee, your strata manager is likely to need to manage a bundle of buildings to be profitable.

    SCA otherwise known as the Institute of Strata Title Management is offering executive committee training, which will help to explain what an EC member’s role is and also role of the SM. Also local council’s are providing informative sessions for owners in strata, such as the one being run by Sutherland Shire Council in August.

    In the first place, it may be worthwhile talking to the Licencee of your current SM company to see if they may be able to offer EC member training, as most are very happy to help keep their clients very happy.

    Hope this helps!

    #13387
    Billen Ben
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      Hi Jen,
      Mr Strata makes some good points. I would add that it may be useful to buy the Alex Ilkin Book “NSW Strata and Community Schemes Management and the Law 4th edition”. You can probably borrow it from the local library.

      Read the book and ask yourselves what do you think you can do and what do you want the agent to do. The book will help with guidance on many matters.
      The book isn't about dealing with specific issues but it helps with knowing what your responsibilities are and good management practices. It will help get you on the front foot.
      The book has a lot of templates and is arguably the best reference on the market for novice strata owners.

      #13393
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        Ilkin is the authoritative book although some might find it a little dry and legalistic. When in doubt, I sneak off to the Strataman website which isn't interactive (like this one) but has good, nuts and bolts answers to basic questions in a language that even dunderheads like me can understand.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #13394

        Thanks everyone for your responses.  That's really helpful.  I do think the amount we are paying is probably part of the issue.  The manager is thinking to himself 'well what do you expect for the money you are paying'.  But all we are seeing is an unresponsive and uncaring manager.

         

        Can anyone give me a ball park figure for what a development of our size should be paying per annum for a decent manager?  As I said we have around 45 units.  I know this probably isn't a straight forward question to answer and I'm sure there are lots of factors.  I just would like an idea.

         

        I think it's really important that we understand our role better too.  We are an involved group and we do as much as we can but we're not clear where our responsibilities end and the strata manager's should start.  I will definitely look into us doing some training.

         

        Thanks again

        Jen

        #13396
        struggler
        Flatchatter

          When anyone goes shopping around for a new strata manager (or even getting quotes from tradies) you should always get them to state what exactly they are going to do for the money.  People will always think that they are getting a bargin if the price is less, but they may actually be getting less.

          We had to have common property lighting replaced.  We got a couple of quotes.  Residents were keen on the cheaper one.  Problem was, the cheaper one didn't say what work would be carried out.  The expensive one stated the type of lights, which lights would be replaced and how the work would be carried out.  We eventually went for this quote.  The same goes for strata managers.  What are they going to do for the money?

           Also residents, the OC and the EC have to realise that they are not the only complex a strata manager has on their books.  You have to keep on top of things to make sure everything gets done.  You cannot sit back and think that the SM will act.  But people believe that having an SM means they just know everything.  One of our owners complained to me that our SM didn't organise to fix something in the complex.  Alarmed, I asked when he advised that this was a problem.  He said he hadn't told them.  He just thought they would know!

          Don't want anyone thinking the above makes me pro SM's.  I don't think ours is great, and that is with us constantly getting onto them.  But you cannot ask a SM to organise an inspection/works/correspondence, not hear anything and not see anything and sit back and think that it must be done.  Ring them up, ask for email confirmations, keep on top of them.  If ours makes a mistake or slip up, creates a delay etc we make them write to all owners/residents (at their cost) and explain themselves. 

          So get your SM to list what exactly his/her duties are for your complex, ie what services the SM provides for his fees (or drag out original any info provided with management agreement).  And get same from other SMs.

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