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    hammer66
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      I live in a building which has 4 steps in the foyer (common property) prior to accessing the lift. There is no  wheelchair accessibility. One of the unit owners now needs to use a wheelchair to access her unit and the stairs have become a real problem and could result in a serious accident. I have asked the EC to install access but nearly a month later am still awaiting a response. What are the responsibilities of the Executive Cttee with regards to ensuring either temporary or permanent access is installed? 

      Thanks

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    • #26021
      Lady Penelope
      Strataguru

        hammer66 – How was your contact with the EC first made – by personal contact, or by phone, or by written correspondence? Has your wheel chair bound neighbour contacted the EC?

        I suggest that you phone the strata manager, on behalf of your neighbour, and ask for a progress report on your initial request and/or send another reminder letter just in case the other letter has gone astray. Your neighbour may also wish to contact the EC and strata manager.

        It also could be that the EC is working on solutions and obtaining quotes which, being close to Christmas, may be proving difficult.

        Unfortunately building modifications to common property always take a bit longer in strata buildings than a private dwelling as strata money is not permitted to be spent unless the spending has been approved via the correct processes. 

        If you or your neighbour think that the process could be hastened then you or your neighbour could obtain your own quote(s) and submit them to the EC for consideration at their earliest possible convenience. This may involve a Motion and quotes being submitted to the next General Meeting. Changes to common property, such as the installation of a ramp, generally require a Special Resolution by the owners corporation.

        See here for legislation etc relating to disability access to common property.

        https://www.bannermans.com.au/articles/strata-and-development/224-disability-access-adjustments-may-be-required

        Should your Owners’ corporation not want to pay for common property modifications such as a wheel chair ramp then they can be compelled to do so. 

        #26022
        hammer66
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Thanks for the info. All contact has been made via e mail to the strata manager who has passed it on to the cttee. The owner is my mother in law who is 89 and has alzheimers. My wife is her carer with power of attorney and guardianship. We live on the floor below. I am going to chase it up with the strata manager again today. I know that there have been e mail exchanges between cttee member but for some reason no one has informed me of their position. Most cttee members do not live in the building. I am a bit worried that they will just delay and discuss it at the next meeting. They have a track record of procrastinating, hence my attempt to get things moving quickly. I attended the last meeting and mentioned the problem but I do not think the ctte consider the issue important. Good to know they can be compelled to pay for it, although I hope it will not come to this.

          #26033
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster

            Section 232 of the new Act is a catch-all provision that allows the Tribunal to order certain by-laws to be passed and work to be done.

            Tell your strata manager that if you don’t see real progress on this within the next week or so, you will commence proceedings at Fair Trading with a view to seeking orders at NCAT.

            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
            #26044
            hammer66
            Flatchatter
            Chat-starter

              Thanks Jimmy. I have just received a response (copy below) from the EC via the strata manager. It seems to imply that the disability legislation does not apply. The letter states:-

              “The Strata Cttee have as you have been advised been looking into your request. Firstly,  XXXXX Towers  was built in a time when residential buildings were designed without giving consideration to anyone requiring wheelchair access. You would be aware that it was 2010 when the disability Access laws were enacted. However, the Strata Cttee are able to give you written permission to use a section of common area to enable you to install a temporary ramp of a style of your choosing that will enable you to get your mother in law up and down the entry area stairs.”

              It then passes the responsibility of procuring and installing the ramp over to us. They also seem to think it is feasible for my wife (53 years old) whilst looking after her mother to set up and put away the ramp every time she leaves and enters the building (daily). It should be noted that there is nowhere to safely store a ramp in the foyer area. The letter stated:-

              “Due to the entry foyer being a high traffic area it will be necessary for OH&S reasons that this ramp be one that could be put down and taken up after each use so that no one trips on it leaving the owners corporation exposed to any injury proceedings.”

              Finally, they want us to sign an indemnity in case of injury, which is ironic as that is why we wanted the access in the first place. The letter stated:-

              “Should you wish to take up the offer of the Strata Cttee we will require that you give a written indemnity to the Owners Corporation indemnifying them against any injury that could be sustained to Mrs XXXX should the ramp collapse or the wheelchair fall off the ramp causing an injury  to her or her assistant and any claim that may be lodged against them should a person be injured by the ramp being on common property.”

              Although, we have requested the access there are a number of elderly residents that may well need access in the future. It seems that we are being made personally responsible for providing access which could be used by any resident/owner. I am not sure whether to engage a specialist solicitor and take this issue straight to a tribunal as you suggested, as the ctte seem to have relinquished its responsibility.

              Thanks

              #26045
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                The legislation that DOES apply is the anti-discrimination law and there seems to be an awareness of that in the response.

                They aren’t saying you can’t have a ramp (that would be discriminatory) but they are saying you can have one with attached conditions.

                The question is, are those conditions excessively onerous (and therefore discriminatory) and I am not in a position to answer that.  Perhaps a good place to start could be this website run by Family and Community Services.

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                #26046
                Lady Penelope
                Strataguru

                  hammer66: This may also be useful:

                  https://disabilitylaw.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Using_DD_Law_NSW.pdf

                  Or you could obtain free advice here:

                  https://disabilitylaw.org.au/services/legal-advice

                  A case which you may like to read concerning a NSW strata scheme and a person with MS who was not confined to a wheelchair is linked below. NB: The outcome of the case may have been different if the applicant’s condition required a wheelchair, and if the strata scheme had not previously attempted to address the applicant’s concerns.

                  https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/nsw/NSWADT/2009/119.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=wheelchair

                  #26047
                  Sir Humphrey
                  Strataguru

                    If 4 steps are the only impediment to the entire building being wheelchair friendly, perhaps those four steps could be replaced by a permanent ramp? If the steps are wide enough, perhaps one side could be a permanent ramp and the other side remain steps. I would be putting it to the OC that this might be a good thing for the building in the long term, not just a benefit for the particular residents that need it just now. 

                    As an OC cost spread among all owners it should not cost too much. For those who think they would never use it, perhaps they can be consoled by the idea that the value of their unit would rise. 

                    I suggest doing the work for the EC. Find out what a good permanent solution would cost, talk to neighbours about it, then put a proposal to the next general meeting. If a general meeting votes to install, the EC has to do it. 

                    #26048
                    hammer66
                    Flatchatter
                    Chat-starter

                      Jimmy T/Proudsceptic/Peter C

                      Thanks for the great advice. I will be using a combination of your posts and will endeavour to achieve a favourable outcome not only for my mother in law but any other disabled residents in the building in the long and the short run.

                      I may be a bit naive but it is bizarre that an issue that should have unanimous approval becomes a complex issue with individuals being obstructive and more concerned about their own liability and well being than those less fortunate. I will post the next developments.

                      Thanks

                      #26051
                      Jimmy-T
                      Keymaster

                        @hammer66 said:

                        I may be a bit naive but it is bizarre that an issue that should have unanimous approval becomes a complex issue with individuals being obstructive and more concerned about their own liability and well being than those less fortunate. 

                        Obstructive members of strata committees fall into five main categories.

                        1. This is going to cost us money and is of no direct benefit to me so I will object.

                        2. This was not my idea therefore it has no merit.

                        3.  I live in fear of imaginary litigants who will sue me/us if we make a bad decision so we we will make no decision (even though that is often the worst decision of all).

                        4. Some owners may not like this and, if they find out I agreed, they might not vote for me at the next AGM and that would be a disaster because I don’t actually do anything to merit anyone’s support.

                        5.  It’s different.  Different is bad.  Change is bad.  Progress is not permitted. The status quo must be maintained at all costs (and preferably at none). 

                        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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