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    Billen Ben
    Flatchatter

      Section 79 of the SSMA says:

      (2)  A contribution, if not paid at the end of one month after it becomes due and payable, bears until paid simple interest at an annual rate of 10 per cent or, if the regulations provide for another rate, that other rate.

       

      I have conflicting answers to a question.

      Does interest begin to get charged from the due date of the payment or from the end of the one month period?

       

      I will give an example. Say a quarterly payment is due on the 1st of April. The one months “grace period” ends on the 1st of May (one month as per s79(2)).

      The levy payment has not been made at some later time. Is the interest on the overdue amount determined from the 1st of April or the 1st of May?

       

      Both my answers come from very reputable sources yet the answers lack consistency.

      I have one answer that says interest is calculated from the 1st of May i.e. interest is not charged for the “grace period” and I have another answer that says interest is charged from the 1st of April i.e. the due date.

       

      Which is it?

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    • #15642
      Billen Ben
      Flatchatter
      Chat-starter

        I shall up the ante on this question. This is a reply from a friend i have at the call center that includes the strata hotline.

        “- been tossing this one around among the experts in here and the bottom line
        is…there is no bottom line.
        The Act states (as you know):-
        79 (2) A contribution, if not paid at the end of one month after it becomes due and
        payable, bears until paid simple interest at an annual rate of 10 per cent or, if the
        regulations provide for another rate, that other rate.

        It remains up to an arbitrary interpretation of the Act as the Act itself does not
        supply a prescriptive answer. A ruling sought from the Strata section within FT
        would only result in a copy and paste of this section of the Act being supplied.”

        Arbitrary interpretation of the Act ??? Legislation that is different things to
        different people.
        That is a really clear and workable situation.

        #15648
        Sir Humphrey
        Strataguru

          I would have thought the interest would be charged from the due date unless payment is received before the end of the grace period. Nonetheless, since there is uncertainty I would suggest the EC should start charging interest from the later date. That way an incentive for payment still exists but you won’t get tied up in arguments about which date to start from; the late payer is unequivocally in the wrong and the OC clearly right and possibly even generous. One month either way is not much difference when the real problem for some OCs are the people who don’t pay for many months. 

          #15649

          Inclined to agree with Peter C

           

          If in any doubt, always charge interest from the later period specified.

          In this instance, the OC will act like any other corporate body which does not specifiy credit provision/default terms above and beyond the minimum ‘interest payable’ clauses.

          The general tests for charging ad-hoc fees and interest payments is whether the business (in this case the OC), by going about collecting the unpaid monies, actually incurred a cost in doing so. As you would not normally have started collecting monies during the grace period, then the answer is that you would not be in a position to charge for it.

          #15652
          Billen Ben
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            I have always been of the opinion that interest gets charged from the end of the grace period. I have it from a leading strata lawyer that such is the case but no reason was given.

            I feel mattb gives some perspective to why the starting point is the end of the grace period.

            thanks mattb

            #15655

            Dear All,

            I believe that you may find that interest is calculated from the due date of the levies, ie 1 April.

            I believe that there has been plenty of legal precedent on this matter especially in relation to the collection of outstanding levies and from my experience interest has always been calculated on this basis.

            Mr S

            #15660
            Billen Ben
            Flatchatter
            Chat-starter

              @Mr Strata said:
              Dear All,

              I believe that you may find that interest is calculated from the due date of the levies, ie 1 April.

              I believe that there has been plenty of legal precedent on this matter especially in relation to the collection of outstanding levies and from my experience interest has always been calculated on this basis.

              Mr S

              I recently emailed Alex Ilkin about this matter. Mr Ilkin says he has dealt with this type of question in the past and his book is correct, i.e. he is firmly of the opinion that the grace period is interest exempt.

              Refer to page 219 of the 4th edition.

              I would really like to read something from a case, if someone could supply something.

              #15662
              Billen Ben
              Flatchatter
              Chat-starter

                @Mr Strata said:
                Dear All,

                I believe that you may find that interest is calculated from the due date of the levies, ie 1 April.

                I believe that there has been plenty of legal precedent on this matter especially in relation to the collection of outstanding levies and from my experience interest has always been calculated on this basis.

                Mr S

                I found this on the prostrata website;

                Arrears Recovery Process

                The following is the process implemented by Progressive Strata Services Pty Ltd in relation to recovery of levy arrears (special and quarterly).

                i) For quarterly levies – the notice is produced and posted 14 days before the 1st of the month it is due, eg levy due 1 July would be generated and sent around 15 June.

                ii) By law nothing can be done to recover levies in the 30 days that are interest free.

                (Bold and underline added)

                 

                I’m not saying they are right or wrong but it seems opinions are divided.

                #15665
                Jimmy-T
                Keymaster

                  that simply reads to me that you can’t take action to recover levies within the 30-day ‘grace’ period. it doesn’t necessarilly mean that interest isn’t applicable should that period be exceeded. These are two entirely different issues.

                  The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                  #15671
                  Jimmy-T
                  Keymaster

                    This topic is going round and round in circles and is becoming pointless.  So, for anyone who wants to know, here is what we have established so far. 

                    1. There is nothing in strata law that specifically says when penalty interest kicks in —  the due date or the end of the grace period.

                    2. The simplest way to avoid trouble is, as many strata managers do, to err on the side of safety and start calculating interest at the end of the grace period.

                    3.  Some strata managers calculate the interest from the due date – that fact that they do this and no one seems to care is an indication of how relatively unimportant this is. 

                    4. By not charging penalty interest for the grace period of an overdue levy payment of, say, $1000, the strata manager is ‘costing’ the owners corp approximately $8.50.  How much the owners corp would have to pay in additional fees if an owner challenged paying interest from the due date at the CTTT could be 100 times that or more.

                    5.  Therefore even if logic suggests otherwise, and the law is unclear, common sense dictates that you are better off charging penalty interest from after the end of the grace period.

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