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  • #11207
    Dudley
    Flatchatter

      Good Morning All,

      This is just a small point, but one that raises a question which I can’t answer.

      Our strata comprises of 4 terrace style townhouses, each townhouse has a private fenced front courtyard facing the street. One of the townhouses’ front gate is damaged and needs repairing. The damage is a result of the gate’s catch falling off and left without repair. As a consequence of this the gate has been forced beyond its normal position, resulting in further damage. The townhouse in question is a rental property, the only one in the 4.

      My questions are,

      Is this an issue for the strata? Is the courtyard common area, it is private.

      If it is a strata issue, because the damage was not a result of maintenance or wear and tear issues but incorrect use, should the tenant/owner pay for the repairs?

      Flat Chatter advice would be appreciated. 

      Regards,

      Dudley

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    • #27468
      Lady Penelope
      Strataguru

        The issue isn’t the private courtyard per se … the issue is where the gate is located. Check the boundary line on the building plan. Without seeing it I am assuming that the gate would be in a common property boundary so therefore the gate would be a common property maintenance issue. 

        I believe that the OC would have been responsible for repairing the latch when the problem first occurred, and the OC is still responsible for repairing the latch.

        Was the OC notified about the latch when it first broke? Did any of the adjoining resident owners notice that the latch needed repairing, and did they just ignore it?

        It is the general responsibility of the Tenant to report this type of maintenance issue to their Agent, who then passes it on to the Owner, who then passes it on to the OC. However, sometimes Tenants do not know what to do when they face a maintenance issue such as this. 

        Now the issue has become worse because the initial repair was not undertaken. However, the OC is still responsible for all the repairs of the gate.

        In my opinion it will only become an Owner responsibility for the common property gate repairs if there was deliberate and wanton destruction by the Tenant. This would be a difficult case to argue under the circumstances.

        #27474
        Dudley
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Good Morning Lady Penelope,

          Many thanks for your reply.

          I have read your comments and I am of the firm belief that your last paragraph describes what has occured.

          For the gate to reach its current position it must have been foced, using considerable effort. The level of force is demonstrated by the fact that welds in the metal gate’s frame have been broken and the frame bent. The direction the gate had to move to produce the damage was from the inside of the property to the outside of the property. That is from the private side of the gate.

          Given the above it seeems that the repair is the responsibility of the owner and or tenant. I guess my next question is what is the best next step?

          To repair the gate it appears that the minimum would be to remove the gate, straighten and then reweld the frame, then repaint it. This is assuming that it is cost effective to repair the gate, if not then replace the gate. Both actions would involve a cost to the strata which is not, in my opinion, fair or reasonable.

          As always I would appreciate some advice.

          Regards,

          Dudley

          #27475
          Lady Penelope
          Strataguru

            Dudley – Have you considered the option of contributory negligence i.e. both parties being negligent?

            This option considers that the following chain of events may have occurred – the  OC may have have been responsible for not repairing the latch in a timely manner, however the additional damage may have been exacerbated by the Tenant’s subsequent behaviour.

            A response to this option would involve the OC obtaining a quote and then the OC and the Owner agreeing to pay a proportionate amount of the repair cost depending upon the level of negligence e.g. 50/50, 60/40 etc.

            The OC can either repair the gate and then seek reimbursement of the Owner’s proportion from the Owner, or can wait until the Owner provides their proportion.

            However, be mindful that if this gate provides security to the Lot (assuming that the gate is located in the common property wall) then there is a strong argument that this gate needs to repaired as quickly as possible. If not repaired quickly then the OC may find itself responsible for the cost of any damage or theft of the occupant’s property now that the gate no longer provides security to the courtyard.

            I would advise the OC to repair the gate ASAP and then seek compensation from the Owner.

            The OC may have largely avoided this situation had the latch been fixed from the outset. 

            #27477

            I think you have answered your own question if the cause was that the gate was not maintained. Was there a reason why it wasn’t fixed earlier? 

            #27480
            BONNIE L
            Flatchatter

              Interesting, as a basement door lock in the building I am in was busted and the door frame damaged – perpetrator unknown. The building has lots of tenants, and OC has paid up, for security reasons, no doubt,  Notices go up on other matters, and whether I should recommend notices on this, am wondering. Already the by-laws on common property damage are displayed. Thanks everyone.

              #27481
              Austman
              Flatchatter

                To note that if damage was caused by an insurable event, it’s likely that building insurance would cover it.  That usually includes damage caused by residents.  Of course, an excess will apply.  An OC/BC must have building insurance for common property.  That insurance usually extends to cover lot fixtures and fittings.

                But if the damage was due to a lack of maintenance or is actually a building defect/failure, it’s unlikely to be covered.

                #27485
                BONNIE L
                Flatchatter

                  Thanks very much for that; a learning curve is this strata business. Shall watch this space!

                  #27487
                  Dudley
                  Flatchatter
                  Chat-starter

                    Good Morning All,

                    Many thanks for the information and advice.

                    I guess it is a matter for the strata to rectify.

                    However, I feel that the whole issue is as a result of carelessness and abuse by the tenant/s. 

                    The gate in question is from the street to the front door of the terrace/townhouse. Basically no different to a private house where a visitor or delivery person would walk to the front door to knock on the front door. As the damage has occured from inside to outside logic dicates it should be owner or tenant – however strata is difficult to comprehend at times.

                    Once again many thanks.

                    Dudley

                    #27489
                    Jimmy-T
                    Keymaster

                      The fundamental problem here is if you say the  gate  latch or hinge failed and tenants were observe misusing it and that led to further damage, it’s hard to blame them without the owners corp accepting some responsibility.

                      There is no limit on an owners corp’s responsibility for maintaining and repairing common property.  You could argue that the lot owner had a responsibility too, but the whole thing would be so complicated that the owners corp would be better off paying for the gate repair and taking the opportunity to send out a warning to all owners that they have a duty to report problems with common property on their lots.

                      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                      #27490
                      Jimmy-T
                      Keymaster

                        @Dudley said:
                        I guess it is a matter for the strata to rectify.

                        I am making my umpteenth plea for posters to this site – especially regular posters – to stop using the phrase “the strata”.

                        What do you mean?  The Owners Corporation?  The strata manager? The strata committee? The building manager?

                        A lot of readers of this website are newcomers to strata – or, at the very least, to strata disputes.  

                        It is incumbent on the rest of us to use terms that are clear and accurate – not just a lazy phrase that is easier to type.

                        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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