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    newlsie
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      Hi Folks,

      Our OC has decided to give permission to owners to enclose their balconies.  The top floor do not have a roof and therefore one must be built whilst the other units have the balcony above them to use as a roof.  Can you please advise us who pays for this roof.  Could it be deemed as common property?

      thank you in advance for your responses.

      Newlsie.

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    • #22747
      Whale
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        The special resolution and supporting Special By-Law that your Owners Corporation MUST have passed and registered (respectively) to cover what amounts to a change / addition to the Common Property should, amongst other things, adequately stipulate the matters about which you’re seeking advice.

        Before other flat-chatters respond, could you please clarify how your Owners Corporation’s decision has or will be made?

        #22750
        newlsie
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Hi Whale,  Yes, a Special Resolution was passed in 2010.  No by law has been drawn up yet.  Does that get done before the order goes in for the windows?  One of the owners on the top floor where there is no balcony above to form a roof is baulking at the cost and the SM is suggesting that his new roof would be common property.  This doesn’t sound right to me.  What are your thoughts?

          thanks   

          #22753
          Whale
          Flatchatter

            newlsie – so it sounds like your Owners Corporation specially resolved (i.e. with ≥75% of votes in favour) to permit Owners to enclose their balconies, presumably at the expense of those Owners who wished at their discretion to do so, with those expenses presumably including the costs of the roof/s to which you refer (?).

            Sorry for all those presumptions, but even more clarification about precisely what form that special resolution took would be helpful, including if it was a blanket consent, what if anything was included about who pays, who’s responsible for on-going maintenance of the enclosures, about consistency of design/appearance, and about any process to have the units of entitlement of Lots altered to better reflect any improved market value accruing to those with enclosed balconies.

            Irrespective of who it was intended would be responsible for undertaking and paying for the enclosures, IF those and the on-going maintenance of them once completed was originally intended to be that of individual Owners and NOT the Owners Corporation, then a concurrent Special By-Law would need to have been Registered before 2012 in order to give effect to that and indeed to any provisions such as those to which I’ve referred to about design/appearance etc.

            If I was in your position, I wouldn’t be ordering windows or indeed anything else until such time as the presumptions that I’ve made here have been clarified to the satisfaction of your Owners Corporation.

            #22754
            newlsie
            Flatchatter
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              Thanks Whale,  Yes, your presumptions are correct. Those that wanted to enclose were to pay for their enclosures.  The funny thing is that the non enclosures are virtually the same price because there is more work waterproofing, tiling and installing glass baulstrades than just enclosing. The design was approved in 2010.  The general feeling is that ongoing maintenance was to be the responsibility of the OC because owners do not necessarily maintain, especially rentals. Changes in unit entitlement was not discussed.  It seems that no-one knows what they are doing. No bylaw has been stuck and the Strata Manager is not ordering the windows despite the fact that he can order most of the windows without a further section 96.  The stumbling block seems to be the top unit wanting the OC to pay for his roof and the SM is supporting him.  The EC has no idea of the rules and is supporting the SM – who else can they defer to?.  This has been a 4 year battle that we thought was resolved with the new SM but he is now silent and not responding to emails.  My unit has leaked since 2011 when the OC conducted concrete cancer work on the unit above and nothing has been done to stop the leaks.  The windows were supposed to fix this but 4 years down the track and we are still spinning our wheels.  I despair.  I feel like going to A Current Affair.  Any advice?

              #22760
              Whale
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                newlsie – it all hangs-off the precise wording of that 2010 Special Resolution, where as you’ve stated in summary each Owner could at their discretion and cost enclose their balconies in accordance with some consistent design, and where the Owners Corporation would be responsible for any and all components of those enclosures that were upon completion part of its common property.

                So that sounds to me like any Owners of Lots on the top-floor who desire to enclose their balconies would be also required to construct a roof if that’s required to achieve that, with the entire structure being at their expense, and being of that consistent design that you say was approved by your O/C in 2010.

                Remember that balcony enclosure is not compulsory, and so any Owners such as those on the top-floor who don’t wish to pay the additional costs of a roof, can simply leave their balconies as they are and await the O/C’s works to re-tile, waterproof, and install new balustrades on those.

                If I’ve interpreted everything correctly, then frankly what your O/C agreed to in 2010 as a remedy for the leaking balconies is in my opinion a dog’s breakfast, that’s exacerbated by the fact that the 2-year window that was available for the Registration of a Special By-Law to make Owners responsible for the maintenance of their balcony enclosures has passed.

                Again in my opinion, if enclosing balconies is really a cheaper and better solution to the water ingress problem than waterproofing and re-tiling those, then I think that somebody (you?) should put an end to the issue by placing a Motion for Special Resolution by the O/C on the Agenda for the next General Meeting (or to an Extraordinary one if urgent) to have the O/C enclose all balconies, to meet the costs of doing that, and to be responsible for the ongoing maintenance and repair of them where its Common Property is involved – just as it would be under the waterproofing/re-tiling option.

                That Motion would need ≥75% of attendees at the Meeting to vote in favour (a “poll vote”) so you and like-minded Owners may need to do a bit of lobbying in advance, but under my suggested solution at least the O/C would be in a position to commission and coordinate the work, and to thereby control both the quality, consistency, and timing/sequence of it which, under the original 2010 scenario, the “general feeling” was it would have been responsible anyway.

                #22762
                newlsie
                Flatchatter
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                  Thank you Whale,  Lots of information in your post that I need to ponder.  What a battle this has been and I fear it is not over yet after 4 years of hard slog and water rushing into my apartment every time it rains from the north east.  All I want is the new windows promised in 2010 and a home that does not leak. BTW the leaks started when the OC conducted concrete cancer repairs in the unit above.  You are a great source of info.  Newlsie

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