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    Enough of Strata
    Flatchatter

      We have an EGM scheduled shortly (NSW) and on the Agenda is a motion for the OC to take a Lot owner to Mediation resulting from a noise complaint from 2 Lot owners (both of who are EC members).

      It appears that these two are the only complainants, and have arranged for the Strata Manager to sent letters to the offending Lot owner to rectify the situation.

      My concern is that it is possible that each of these / or both together could make the application for arbitration themselves and it is not necessary for the EC to take this action itself.

      This would not incur the OC with the expense, and as the persons involved in the dispute would need to attend personally the arbitration, should there be no agreement they are the ones who would end up taking the matter to the tribunal. 

      I consider it an “Issue” where it could be perceived that the EC members were using the OC to solve at problem at the expense of the other owners, particularly where Lawyers (and higher expenses) might become involved.

      I consider it best that the affected owners actually take action and not the OC.   Which is the best way to proceed?    Any suggestion on what can be done.

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    • #23786
      kiwipaul
      Flatchatter

        This is one of the many problems with Strata life. The Strata have owners corporation has a duty to enforce the bylaws but unless someone volunteers to pursue the case it is generally left up to the complainers.

        The Strata Executive Committee could vote to support the owners who wish to proceed to conciliation to give them moral support but if the Strata EC asks the SM Strata Manager to initiate conciliation they will charge the Strata Owners Corp a fortune (at least $5,000 I was quoted many years ago because it’s time consuming getting everything right).

        Also the lot owners affected will have far more interest in presenting a case than a SM Strata Manager who is only in it for the money and so is less likely to succeed and the cost should be less than $200 if they DIY.

        #23792
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster

          The problems with leaving it to individual owners to deal with noise issues – or any other  problem, for that matter – is that it very quickly becomes very personal.  Also, arguments about noise carry a lot less weight if the owners corp or executive committee are not supporting the complainers.

          That said there is a growing and disturbing trend of “I’m Alright Jack” attitudes in ECs – the opposite of EC members using their privileged positions to pursue legal action –  where the EC members say they aren’t suffering therefore it can’t be too bad a problem.  There’s also a trend of penny-pinching to keep the levies down (now there’s a false God that gets way too much worship).

          I took this very issue to a senior member of Fair Trading and this was his response:

          The by-laws are binding on all owners/occupiers and it is the responsibility of the owners corp to oversee and enforce via Notice to Comply/Penalties or mediation/NCAT

          So they are an EC and/or general meeting issue. The EC may decide that certain behaviour does not constitute a breach, but they can’t say they are not responsible for administering by-laws.

          I’d suggest an owner write to sec requesting a motion be put to EC meeting (or general meeting) to pursue a by-law breach (including notice to comply/penalty and mediation/NCAT – this is to give them full authority to pursue whatever action may be required if the person in breach does not respond).

          Alternatively, an owner affected by the breach, or any other owner or tenant really, can apply for mediation themselves against the person in breach – to mediate, then seek orders if necessary.

          So you see, the individual approach is there as a fall-back if the EC route isn’t available (for instance, if the miscreant is running the EC).  But the every man and woman for themselves attitude just doesn’t fly.

          One more thing, I think it would be very helpful if every Owners Corp had a set of protocols, backed by a by-law, that spelled out what the steps would be in the event of a noise or any other complaint.  As part of that, you may well decide that a complaint that hasn’t been made by more than one resident and hasn’t been witnessed by another resident would be taken as a personal dispute between two residents.  

          In this case, where you have two owners both making the same complaint, I would be telling the EC they aren’t going to save money by doing nothing. They can either do something about it or face the hassle and expense of defending a Section 138 adjudication (compelling an Owners Corp to fulfill its obligations) and then have to do it anyway. Double the hassle and double the cost.

          By the way, as I have said on this forum before, anyone who is on an EC with the intention of blocking efforts to help members of the community, just to save money, should be tarred and feathered (or at least Facebooked)!

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #23794
          Enough of Strata
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            Jimmy,

            Thanks for your input. 

            In order to get the costs (Arbitration and Tribunal related) to fall as much as possible on the party who has caused the noise problem (or from who’s Lot the noise is coming), do you consider that a By-law (special) that states that where a noise complaint had been adjudicated and lost by the owner of the Lot in which the noise originated, that the cost incurred by the Owners corporation in prosecuting the case, can be recovered from owner of that Lot.

            Obviously consideration in such a By-law may need to take into account a situation where the offending Lot changes hands & may complicate the issue.

            However it is a thought and may be equitable and ultimately the wrong party(s) do not end up wearing what may be a substantial bill.

            (Winston)

             

               

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