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Another update…. At our December AGM our motion that the OC seek compensation from the lot owner for the convertion of common property lawn to concrete was voted against by everyone else. No one apart from us cared that OC funds had been used!
Thankfully a motion about parking a car on common property 24 hours a day was modified to “only in front of an owner’s garage and not on the lawns” So now everyone including the guy who converted the common lawn to concrete (using OC funds) can park there legitimately even though it isn’t quite lined up with the front of his garage.
At the meeting he also denied that his garage has been converted to a habitable room even though the recent pest inspection report which was circulated clearly stated that it was.
There was heated discussion about the motion on banning taking photos – it certainly got very ugly and we were vilified for having taken photos of cars parked on the lawns and the damage it caused. Thankfully the motion didn’t get up nor did the motion some clown had about converting more lawn areas to concrete for parking, possibly only because the Strata Manager didn’t think it was a good idea to turn the complex into a concrete jungle and reminded owners that NCAT uses photos as evidence.
After the meeting as we were leaving one of the lot owners stopped us and told us we were nasty for taking photos and we should try to get on with our neighbours. The lot owner who had the lawn converted to concrete at the OC’s expense also passed on his good wishes yelling at us to “f**king get a life” as he drove past our villa. Nice!
So after all this I don’t think there is anything we can now progress to NCAT as the majority of owners clearly had no concerns with OC funds being used to convert the lawn to concrete for the benefit of a single lot owner.
The AGM agenda is now out for our December meeting and my motion to seek compensation from the lot owner has been included as per Jimmy’s suggestion above…..
Another lot owner has included the following rather bizarre motions:
“an owner or occupant may without consent, park or stand a motor vehicle on any common property adjacent to their property, for a period of 24 hours”…. This effectively means all the time!
“an owner or occupier may not take a photograph of another owner’s property without prior written consent” … I assume he means their illegally parked cars…..
” that the owners corporation specially resolve to convert the grassed areas located in front of six of the lots to concrete”…… goodbye lawn, hello concrete seems to becoming a reality…
Would any of these motions be valid?
Here’s an update on the above issues. The area has been concreted and the lawn is gone.
Interestingly the meeting minutes include the following note. “this approval does not provide any owner permission to park on common property and is not considered as creating a new parking space. The reason for the works is to provide better access to the garage for lot x as they were driving over the lawns due to the restrictive nature of the driveway”.
This is not true as the previous owners seemed to have managed for the previous 10 years, anyway to add insult to injury the lot owner and his son now park on the new concrete every day as their garage is converted to a games room.
I did apply to NCAT and we recently had our Fair Trading mediation stage. The Secretary who attended said they want eveyone to get along and don’t want to Issue Notices to Comply to the other people who park on the lawns. The Secretary said they would instead speak to the people parking on the lawns and tell them to stop. When I mentioned the new concrete area is now being used for parking which contradicts the note on the EGM minutes and is in breach of one of our existing bylaws I was told to get over it. So I now have the option to pursue these matters at NCAT.
I don’t think it’s worthwhile going to NCAT about the lot owner and his son parking on the new concrete area as all they need to do is ask for and get permission to park there and they are off the hook.
We have our AGM in December and I’d like to include a motion to get the lot owner to pay for the concreting as he is the only one who has benefitted from the change. At last year’s AGM he did volunteer to pay for the concreting when I raised the issue of the damage caused to the lawns.
Hopefully depending on how it’s worded when the lot owner sees it in print they will realise that OC funds shouldn’t have been used for this work as no one apart from him has benefitted.
Would this motion be possible and how should it be worded?
Thank you for your input. Our complex is in NSW.
Does the fact that one of the lots (the one belonging to the Secretary) already has a registered special bylaw for their renovated bathroom which transferred repair and maintenance to the lot owner not make a difference?
It seems odd that the shower screen repair is paid by the OC and then the OC puts in a claim through the strata insurance to recoup the cost and possibly wear any short-fall due to any excess. What then was the point of the registered bylaw transferring responsibility to the lot owner?
This information seems to contradict the response I received from Jimmy which stated shower screens are not common property and we should put a motion forward at the next meeting to invoice the lot owner.
I would appreciate some clarification.
Following on from my email above the strata manager has responded with – “This is not a misuse of funds as the shower screen is covered under the strata insurance policy and we are in the process of making a claim to the insurance company”.
I don’t understand why would repairs to these two shower screens need to go through the OC’s insurance when:
- for one lot there is a registered special bylaw which transferred the responsibility for the repairs and maintenace of the renovated bathroom to the lot owner, the current Secretary.
- for the other lot which hasn’t been renovated shower screens are not included as common property under legislation.
Has the Strata Manager made a mistake and how do we get it resolved?
Thank you for your replies,
I’m now also aware that a special by law was registered in early 2017 (less than 18 months ago) for the Secretary’s renovated bathroom which clearly made them responsible for all repairs and maintenance which would obviously include the shower screen. It’s a worry to think neither the Secretary nor the Strata Manager remembered the special by law or that shower screens are not even common property.
I’ve emailed ths Strata Manager about these errors and asked for an explanation on the proper processes for recrediting our OC funds.
Well we had our EGM and after the Secretary clarified that the lawn area was being concreted to allow a lot owner to park there most attendees voted for this change and for the OC to pay – I kid you not. The lot owner said they’d continue parking on it whether it was lawn or not – I kid you not. I asked the Chairperson to rule the motion out of order stating that if passed it would be in direct breach of our bylaws against parking on common property. Some attendees actually asked that the by law about parking on common property be abolished!
I asked that the OC seek confirmation from Council whether a DA was required as we were changing the footprint by increasing the the ratio of hard surfaces. At this point the strata manager said they’d consult with their boss and get back to us on the matters I had raised . I advised that I would take the matter to NCAT if due diligence wasn’t adhered to. My motion to issue notices to comply to lot owners who also park on the lawn was also rejected.
I’d appreciate some guidance on what orders I can/should seek at NCAT about our parking bylaws not being enforced and whether I can get the original motion to convert the lawn to concerete disallowed as the work is purely being done to allow illegal park on common property?
Thanks for the advice, I had emailed council a few weeks ago and haven’t heard back. I’ll phone up and speak with the duty planner as you have suggested.
I’ve just looked over the financial report that was sent out with the EGM agenda and note that our Secretary wasn’t financial for the previous quarter – we have an EC of just two. There hasn’t been any EC meetings this year however OC funds have been used for new sandstone garden beds for certain lots owners, these garden beds are new and never existed before. These changes to common property were never discussed or agreed to. I’ve emailed the strata manager and asked him to add these to the agenda for discussion however the work has already been done and paid for with OC funds.
It appears these selfish lot owners who continually park on the lawns seem to have been rewarded by the SC with lovely new garden beds and no one wants to issue anyone a notice to comply to stop parking on the lawns….
Thank you Dech for you response.
The EGM agenda arrived yesterday and the motion is a special resolution to replace the grass with concrete. Interestingly a P.S. is included in the motion that in the event the motion is not approved reinstating the grassed area will cost approx $3000.
Would I be able to get the motion declared out of order at the EGM because the sole purpose of this change to common property is to allow a lot owner to continue to illegally park on common property which is a breach of one of our bylaws. I certainly can’t see any motion giving anyone exclusive rights to park anywhere. If this tack fails could I get an order at NCAT?
I’ve got a motion on the agenda to issue Notices to comply to the lot owner and other residents who are also currently parking on our lawns, so I doubt I’ll be popular at the EGM, however I don’t want this precedent to occur – removing lawn to allow for illegal parking on common property will only devalue the complex.
If people come to their senses and the motion is not passed and the grass is reinstated how can I get the SC to pay rather than the OC since it was the SC that didn’t follow proper procedures and commenced this work without OC approval?
Hopefully someone can suggest some ideas I can explore.
Thank you
The Strata Manager has advised that the Strata Committee initiated this unauthorised change to common property and not the lot owner. After my email threatening to go to Fair Trading, the SM has advised that the work has stopped and the SC has been advised to hold an Extraordinary General Meeting.
Sadly it seems that rather than follow the legislation and deal with continued by-law breaches the new SC has decided to reward lot owners and their visitors who illegally park on common property by using OC funds to pay for the removal of established lawn areas and concreting them, so that lot owners and their visitors can continue to illegally park on common property.
I’m at a total loss to see how if this alteration to common property if approved it would improve or enhance the common property for the rest of us.
I am concerned it would set a very dangerous precedence. Will other residents who continue to park on the lawn also be rewarded with lawn near them converted to concrete for them to illegally park on.
Over the years various real estate agents who have appraised my property have commented that the cars parking on the lawn makes our complex look like housing commission.
I’ve told owners this at the AGM when my motion to issue notices to comply was defeated.
I’d appreciate any ideas on how to stop this, would I have a case to present at NCAT?
Thank you for your response.
I’ve had a look at the NCAT interim orders form and note that all details in the application would be provided to all parties. This means that a very intimidating man and his adult son would know that the application was made by me as I would be listed as the applicant and he’d be the respondent. He would also have all my contact details including phone and email from the application.
While it is obvious that this owner is making an unauthorised land grab for more illegal parking I would feel very uncomfortable once he knew that I personally applied for the interim orders against him and not the OC. Is there anyway I can get the OC to progress this?
If bylaws are being breached then the OC or the SC (if they have had this power delegated to them) has the option of deciding whether to issue a notice to comply and ultimately applying to the Tribunal for the recalcitrant residents to be fined if the breaches continue. This would certainly show an insurer that an OC had attempted to use every means it had available under the Strata Scheme Management Act.
We’re in a similar situation with unsupervised young children riding bikes and scooters on the main driveway which is actually owned by another strata complex behind ours. It’s not all our common property and we only have the right to drive on it to gain access to our various driveways which branch off it. The Strata Manager has sent on average two letters a year to residents stating that complaints and concerns have been received. The letters have been largely ignored and as Secretary I have asked our Strata Manager to include an agenda item for our upcoming AGM to issue Notices to Comply to the recalcitrant residents.
Regarding issuing notices to comply,
Under subsection 4 of Section 146 of the new SSMA 2015 there appears to be a provision for the strata manager to issue notices for by-law breaches without a resolution needing to be passed at a meeting (there was also something similar in the old Act). Our previous EC had at a previous meeting resolved to delegate its authority to issue notices to the strata manager.
Unfortunately many of our residents including half of the current EC own more than one vehicle and continually park on the grass, as do their visitors. The EC certainly arn’t interested in having meetings to resolve to issue anyone let alone themselves notices.
The strata manager has asked for and been provided with date stamped photos that clearly show the vehicles parked on the lawns. He has also written warning letters to the offenders. While no notices have been issued to date as the strata manager said he was waiting for the new Regulations to come in on 30 November, I do live in hope. It would be nice to look out and see lovely lawns rather than a car park!
I ‘ve copied the relevant part of the Act below
146 Notice by owners corporation to owner or occupier
(3) A notice must not be given unless a resolution approving the issue of the notice, or the issue of notices for the type of contravention concerned, has first been passed by the owners corporation at a general meeting or by the strata committee of the owners corporation.
(4) Subsection (3) does not apply to the giving of a notice by a strata managing agent if that function has been delegated to the strata managing agent in accordance with this Act.
Our complex currently has an 8km speed limit posted at the main entrance to our complex before it branches to the various cul de sacs.
We also have the exact wording as per by-law 7 that Cosmo quoted above. While the by-law may sound draconian, the intent is clear, young children should not be riding bikes, scooters, skateboards on the driveways and certainly not without any adult supervision. Some of these children are under five and have undeveloped road sense. They are also not wearing any helmets.
Transport for NSW takes child safety seriously enough to spend taxpayers money on driveway safety campaigns. Their website states that 6 children have been killed and 15 seriously injured on driveways since 2013.
Are there any liability issues around the OC ignoring the children riding their bikes, etc on our driveway.
I am on an EC in Sydney. With the above scenario what happens if they get a clear majority but not 75% at the EGM, does the EC then meet and decide whether to issue a notice to comply which favours a minority of the OC. If the EC itself also votes as the majority of the OC and decides that the change is OK do they have to ignore their own vote and the wishes of the majority and still issue a notice to comply? If the EC decide to follow their own vote and the wishes of the majority and not issue a notice to comply does the change to common property, in this case a door , just remain in limbo? Is this scenario dealt with in the act? If so could you please refer me to the relevant part?
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