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  • in reply to: Decisions made without meetings #37270
    imported_dech
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      Recent confirmation from Fair Trading in NSW is that in a life and death emergency involving faulty common property the SC needs to give three days notice with the agenda prior to making any decision – unless the OC has somehow introduced a resolution/rule/by-law (not sure what) that allows for exceptions.  We have had four SM’s and none have mentioned this but it’s basic good business practice to have defined how an emergency is declared/ by whom / funds approval escalations etc.  I have a similar query to yours but one thing is clear the OC would have to have formally voted to allow an SC member to appropriate funds without agenda/minutes.

      in reply to: Goodbye lawn, hello concrete #30701
      imported_dech
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           About a decade age a developer built a whole shopping centre without approval and ultimately it was ordered that it be demolished – which seemed like a pleasing outcome for those who value (and can comprehend) the rule of law.      This case would appear to be a case where NCAT -if involved- should appoint  a Strata Mgr. to take over control for a period and arrange/negotiate suitable recompense.   

            I haven’t re-read all the previous mail on this but my experience with most SC members have a somewhat similar disregard of the law but present a strong defence that they are “doing the right thing/avoiding trouble” etc.  Although phrases such as “Special Resolution” occasionally appear on some paperwork I don’t think anyone involved has ever spent two minutes attempting to comprehend what the Law requires; they probably think that something like building a swimming pool or removing balconies require a special resolution in order to awaken the majority of un-involved investors who otherwise don’t want to be disturbed by agenda’s and minutes of SC meetings.  Your case seems similar except that some/most owners think of the offenders as a “mate” and thus I would think that legally they could do what they have done except that they would chip in from their own pockets to pay for the ownership of the land to be transferred to the “mate” if they didn’t think he should have to bear the burden.

            I note that NCAT doesn’t get good press but this is the sort of situation for which it exists.

        imported_dech
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              Depending on the number of units, Strata committee (SC)  agenda and minutes may only have to be  placed on a notice board if this has been voted for at some point – even if most owners are investors who rarely if ever pass the board.

              In NSW and presumably all jurisdictions  the SC does and can not make decisions to alter common property (CP) which a change of colours certainly is.  Thus any work paid for by the OC which involves alteration of CP has by definition involved misappropriation of funds and legal action could be taken by the OC against whoever authorized payment.  Happily for most SC members this is likely to be one individual who falsely advised the Strata Mgr. (SM) that the OC had approved the payment. 

             I don’t know if its available but my first recommendation for any OC hiring a Strata Mgr. would be to have a clause in the contract that it is the SM’s responsibility to sight and record evidence that any decisions involving SM action were decided at a properly convened meeting of the relevant body; otherwise my guess is that SM’s defence would be that when a decision is presented by the Secretary it is presumed that somewhere/sometime a proper  meeting was held. 

          in reply to: Strata building insurance #30268
          imported_dech
          Blocked

               Unless the block is substantially made of flammable products or a  similar identifiable risk being forced to insure for full value or so called replacement value is similar to being forced to bet on picking first, second and third on a race day i.e. you would only collect on full value if the entire block is destroyed. Perhaps a fire in one unit plus water damage plus the roof being blown off may add up but to nowhere near full value.  “Replacement cost” involves a gamble that if the whole block built in say 1963 is destroyed then the owners win a motza i.e. a brand new block; imagine insuring your 1960 car such that you get a current model if (and only if) it is destroyed or stolen; insurance companies wouldn’t allow it without a huge premium as in this case they would be taking the gamble with a fragile and easily stolen item. 

               This is the context in which the further absurdity of having to pay a substantial amount every few years for a valuation is no longer compulsory.  It only makes sense if the insurance co. seems to increasing their valuation well beyond what appears likely value and it is a newish block.

            imported_dech
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                  Based on recent experience if some channels work then the amplifier would be chief suspect.  If someone has been in the cavity recently then more so as unplugging it while in a tight/dark place may be easily done.  

              in reply to: Goodbye lawn, hello concrete #29724
              imported_dech
              Blocked

                   This sounds like a Third world village type of situation; NSW law may protect you from losing your home but if not even one more than a quarter of Owners who vote disagree (or feel intimidated by the “big men” to not vote) with giving away common property and spending probably hundreds of dollars each to concrete over grass then welcome to my world.

                  A few possibilities come to mind; presumably everyone concerned is aware that you are the objector so the advice given in “Hamlet” may apply viz: “Beware Of entrance to a quarrel, but being in, Bear’t that the opposed may beware of thee”.  

                1.  Ask the secretary to send out a new/revised EGM agenda or at least a note advising that the $3K re-instatement cost will not be bourne by the OC but by whomever authorized the work and they may also bear legal costs should they wish to dispute this (I suspect someone will find a “mate” who can do it for far less cost/ request something like this on an interim order and or the mediation/ and NCAT order which I think are mandatory with the interim order (call Fair Trading for conformation on 133220 there is only a two min. wait in my experience) ; this blackmail like element in particular is a gross affront to the rule of law and should get a strong response from NCAT.

                2.  New/modified agenda that the common property be sold to the parkers at market rates.

                in reply to: Goodbye lawn, hello concrete #29680
                imported_dech
                Blocked

                    Presumably no one involved with the exception of at least someone associated with the Strata Mgr’s. has any understanding of Strata law so you may be able to buy time i.e. if the EGM doesn’t get a quorum or more likely they fail to make the item a Special Resolution thus rendering any vote invalid.  Your view of whether replacing a grassed area with concrete (probably soon to have oil stains) enhances the block is worth whatever your unit entitlements add up to but legally those approving of concrete require 75% agreement of those who attend (including proxies) a properly convened meeting.

                     It would appear from what you have stated that there are grounds for the Owners Corp. to explore litigation against whoever authorized the destruction of common property thus far which presumably also included mis-appropriation of money i.e. legal appropriation=approval by special resolution anything else=mis-appropriation.

                    You might also politely ask the Strata Mgr. whether anything in the contract states or implies that they provide advice as to the legality of any action prior to it’s commencement.  Or maybe you can leverage some of all this to get the OC to pay for screening. 

                  in reply to: Garden Gone #29634
                  imported_dech
                  Blocked
                  Chat-starter

                       SM has advised that there were some poisonous plants (and therefore the complete removal of the plants and replacement with a very different set) was merely maintenance.  There was of course no SC agenda or motions relating to it.  The Fair Trading rep. stated that they couldn’t really comment.  

                        Years ago they told me that even removing one weed from a path req’d a Special Resolution which got me looking into it.  Obvious a meeting for each weed is ludicrous but the point is that apart from plants and light globes there isn’t much in Strata that is regularly prone to easy alteration i.e. in a well run block at the first meeting they would set up clear guidelines for the SC and residents e.g. in garden bed X the following plants….

                    in reply to: Unidentified Complainant #29633
                    imported_dech
                    Blocked

                         One would hope that it is “normal strata procedure”; particularly in the case of those who demonstrate gross disregard or pig ignorance of the affect of their actions on other occupiers.  In fact it would be much better if they used terms such as “we’ve become aware” or if they have clear evidence “a recent inspection has revealed”.  This would provide protection in cases where it may be obvious to perpetrators that there is only one individual in the block with the sensitivity and wherewithal to contact the Strata Mgr.

                          There appear to be many blocks where occupiers in locations where there is a very understandable desire for further privacy put up flimsy “brush” style barriers which are soon blow into various angles; add some washing and a bit of “junk” storage and even a new block gradually takes on an (expensive) slum like appearance.  

                         You seem to have the good fortune to have someone who cares either about the aesthetics or perhaps has no objection to your efforts but want’s to maintain a rules based system rather than anarchy.  Or more likely someone who generally cares about neither but have a vague idea that anything out of the ordinary will negatively affect their property values.

                         Why not try the system out an put in an agenda item to modify you balcony; perhaps including a few options and the usual acceptance that it will be done in a workmanlike manner; you will pay for any maintenance etc.  Failing that; I’ve never heard of any rule about what you can have on the balcony apart from washing; there are planter boxes which sit on the top rail and ferns etc. would rise 60cm or so above that – although again the legal terminology “not in keeping with the appearance of…” could mean anything on a balcony.

                      in reply to: Garden Gone #29614
                      imported_dech
                      Blocked
                      Chat-starter

                           The well established disregard or near complete ignorance of Strata Laws on both the part of long standing Chairman and Strata Mgr. provide clear evidence to me who has arranged it but this does raise questions of providing evidence to NCAT; the evidence is the absence of any motion whatsoever regarding altering the garden.  If there were strata police presumably sworn officers would seize all minutes of meetings and report the absence of relevant material.   

                           I don’t think any of the other Owners are capable of even beginning to comprehend that there are laws and due process which don’t (legally) allow one person to take control of their accumulated strata  funds and do what they see fit.  I once suggested that we set a limit on the then EC for garden expenses for that year as a basic good business practice – not to leave it wide open.  There was umbrage from most attendees that I was insulting the EC;  the Chair however perhaps having vaguely heard that “grown ups” might often have such considerations plucked a figure of about eight times the normal garden maintenance costs.

                           An interim order plus the req’d Application comes to $202; at best the result would probably be a retrospective Spec. resolution heartily endorsed by the Chair/Str. Mgr. with proxies from the usual suspects who apparently think that if they have tenants and are paying fees within the normal range then things must be going swimmingly; these presumably also are the types who are “devastated” if/when they discover their funds have disappeared where those in control become confident that no adult is watching.

                        imported_dech
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                              Around 18 years ago I supplied the glossy “Strata Living” booklet from the NSW govt.  to my then fellow E.C. members.  From memory it made either no mention or a vague reference of when a Special resolution is required or that the EC needed to have an agenda and minutes for all decisions.  They may well have made the effort to leaf through it and the remaining member subsequently thinks that it’s open slather apart from some rules on AGM’s, insurance etc.  The Strata Mgr. appears to have a similar level of knowledge (or a business model which says: Don’t bother or confuse committee members with all that stuff for the “grownups”; keep it simple; one or two individuals take power and do what they see fit and keep paying our fees).

                             A requirement that Strata committee members sign a document stating that they have read and understand say a two A4 page guide in 14pt font, perhaps with a few points in bold would be a useful start.

                          imported_dech
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                               There is a unit block which has smoke or heat detectors on open walkways which has resulted in so many false alarms (insects, maybe water vapour, smoke from petrol blowers) that residents have tended to ignore any alarm for about an hour or so when they conclude that there is no “someone else” responding.  It has also turned off by unknown persons and left that way for about three months every year including 2017.

                               None of the seemingly relevant authorities; the OC, local council or electricians who installed and maintain accept any responsibility and all three have been made aware of the situation in detail on multiple occasions.  The electricians say that they just followed the directive of the “Fire engineer” and this seems to be set in stone unless the OC pays thousands of dollars for some sort of comprehensive review to conclude what any adult would conclude after a minutes inspection. 

                               The open walkways lead to steps and at the bottom of the steps are doors, apparently there is some ambiguity in the legislation which allows this to be interpreted as the open walkways being regarded as enclosed!!  Presumably there is a need for some discretion and this engineer was either being absurdly cautious or at worst providing a lucrative ongoing income for the electricians without regard for safety.

                            in reply to: Original Parquetry quandary #28932
                            imported_dech
                            Blocked

                                  This particular case is probably all over but why would anyone think that a floor covering (parquetry) has anything to do with common property (my understanding being that parquetry is adhered to the floor) – even if the damage was caused by a failing in the common property.  It seems to be established that where a water leak from common property pipes causing paint damage to the ceiling below the paint damage is not covered by the OC. 

                                  In the case above it appears to have been established that the damage was not caused by any common prop. failure and that the parquetry was adhered to something i.e. the actual common property floor and thus should have the same status as originally laid carpet or original paint on walls.

                              imported_dech
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                                Back when I thought the rule of law had a significant role in my Strata block I recall understanding that no expenditure could be approved involving considerations outside the block (which include things which common sense would suggest effect all owners). 

                                    In extremis for example if 8/10 unit holders felt strongly about the general need for a change in government and wished to approve expenditure of most of the retained funds as a donation it could not be sanctioned.  For the Strata Mgr. to make one 45c call (plus $30.00 charges) to the local council about nearby potholes is essentially the same in principal.  If three of those ten owners could find the wherewithal to contact the council at their own expense it would likely be more effective.

                                    The 8/10 wanting a change in govt. may passionately believe that some issue such as going to war with Japan over whaling is more important than potholes and will allow them to sleep easier than stopping the rattling trucks hitting the holes.   The more likely contentious areas are somewhere in between i.e. hiring a solicitor at significant expense to threaten legal action against a neighbouring business which generates noise/smells affecting a percentage of Owners.

                                in reply to: Bully Chairman #26681
                                imported_dech
                                Blocked

                                  I recall at some meeting it was agreed at our block that EC meeting agendas would only go on the Notice Board.  No notice board has ever been approved but one is present.  Essentially no owner is likely to ever see any agenda or minutes but apart from the technicality of of us not legally having a board I understand that this is legal – the owners apart from myself and those on the now SC have no interest or probably comprehension of what the SC does.

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