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    MsM

      Hi Fellow forumers,

      I’ve recently lodged a request for adjudication through CTTT, having had it confirmed mediation attempted through Community Justice Centre has been unsuccessful and the other party have refused to attend CJC for mediation again.

       

      My complaint involved noise generated from the property due to it being tiled throughout (I quoted 117 parts a and C of SSMA 2006 and by laws relating to behaviour and noise).

       

      My CTTT submission included 40pages of noise diary notes (times, comments speculations on sound etc) as well as research regarding acceptable noise levels, and information to support my claim for mitigation materials such as carpetting and plaster board with decibel lowering qualities to be installed.

       

      I received an email from CTTT Thursday notifying me of the claim, and giving a timeframe for submissions. On contacting CTTT the offficer confirmed the respondent will receive a full copy of the request, as will the Strata Manager but the Strata Manager can choose to notify the other owners. CTTT informed me the Strata Manager will choose whether or not to place a notice on common notice boards, or send out a letter to owners.

       

      My Strata Manager contacted me today as I am also on the Executive committee. He advises the CTTT have advised him that he needs to provide a full copy of my request for adjudication to all owners (this amounts to 44 – including myself and the respondent). He has sought approval for the EC to post the total application out. 

       

      Is this true? would value any experience with this from any of the forum members or guests as I’m an L-plater to CTTT. I’ve looked around previous posts and not found much. 

      Confused

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      kiwipaul
      Flatchatter

        From the Act

        136 Owners corporation to display and give certain notices
        (1) An owners corporation given a copy of an application for an order under this Chapter accompanied by the relevant notice must:
        (a) immediately cause the application and notice or a copy of the application and notice to be prominently displayed on any notice board required to be maintained by or under the by-laws on some part of the common property, and
        (b) keep the application and notice so displayed until the expiration of the time specified in the notice for the making of submissions,
        and
        (c) immediately serve a copy of the application and notice on each person whose name appears on its strata roll.

        So their dosn’t seem to be a requirement to serve it to ALL owners just those affected by the dispute.

        BUT if it affects all owners then I believe it should then be sent to all owners and the OC must bear the cost.

        #19456 Reply
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster


          @kiwipaul
          said:
          From the Act

          136 Owners corporation to display and give certain notices
          (1) An owners corporation given a copy of an application for an order under this Chapter accompanied by the relevant notice must …
          (c) immediately serve a copy of the application and notice on each person whose name appears on its strata roll.

          So their dosn’t seem to be a requirement to serve it to ALL owners just those affected by the dispute.

           

          That’s not my reading of subsection (c):  “… each person whose name appears on its strata roll …” basically means all owners.

          The strata manager should send out the information at the Owners Corp’s expense. This issue is related to common property and by-laws so everyone is entitled to know what’s going on.  How many other owners actually read this is another matter entirely.

          By the way, this is very good example of why strata schemes need to get their owners signed up to receive notices by email – it’s so much cheaper, quicker and more efficient to do this stuff electronically.

           

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          #19484 Reply
          MsM

            Thanks Jimmy T and Kiwipaul. 

            This is relating to my post on excessive noise from my neighbours in a tiled unit. 

            The submission included the noise diary (40pages – as my respondents were fairly active in enjoying life in their tiled unit) as well as copies of my emails to the Strata Manager pleading for assistance- the Strata Manager told me I needed to include all relevant information but I assumed (silly me being a novice to CTTT) that all  of this information would only go to CTTT, Strata Manager, the respondent and myself.

            I’ve noticed now the CTTT state the submission/ request for adjudication should only contain information you want others to see (again my novice experience – I thought only CTTT, respondent and myself would be involved). 

            I’m aware CTTT has also provided a full copy of my submission to the Secretary of the Body Corporate as well as the Strata Manager. 

            Any tips on how to get through the adjudication process?? 

            #19490 Reply
            scotlandx
            Flatchatter

              The reason all the documents in your application is provided to the other owners is because any interested party can make a submission regarding your application.

              You needed to include the information you did to make a comprehensive submission, so don’t worry about it.

              In terms of the adjudication process, you don’t have to do anything now – a decision is made “on the papers”.  That is, the adjudicator reads the submissions received and makes a decision based on those.  All you can do now is wait.  The only exception would be is if someone made a submission more than 3 days before closing date, in which case you would be provided with it and you could make a further submission.

              It can take quite a while for a decision, we had one recently and it was over 2 months.

              #19567 Reply
              MsM

                hello again,

                just a progress update and one further question – it seems all owners have a copy of everything I sent CTTT. I have had 2 approaches regarding the complaint – one from an owner with floating floors (I understood why), and second from an adjacent block asking what outcomes I wanted. 

                It seems the respondent is now seeking out supporting letters from other in the block to indicate I am a vexacious complainent. I also think this is an attempt to deflect from their obligation to a) mitigate the noise of the hard floor and b) control the noise from their property.

                I’ve provided CTTT with a copy of the BSA standards for flooring, along with research for plasterboards to reduce noise transmission through the common wall to my property. 

                Any hints, tips or advice on whether this is the correct path to take?? I am getting the feeling the respondent is compiling a personal attack with a laundry list of supporting letters about my requests to abide by Strata by-laws, and creating a smear campaign against me. 

                If the laundry list of complaint letters go in – should I respond to each within CTTT, it seems like a deflection of the issue being bought to the adjudicators attention. 

                I realise as Jimmy T has mentioned in this forum before – that this takes a toll on not only our physical health, but mental health in dealing with neighbours who are not understanding of the need to show co-operation, and consideration whilst living in such a close environment as units. 

                Of course this is my first CTTT application, just wanting to get it right. I can’t afford the expense of sound engineers, acoustic monitering or legal advice.

                Many thanks

                Ms M

                #20407 Reply
                drshelley
                Flatchatter

                  MsM

                  Just wondering how successful your application for adjudication turned out.

                  #20426 Reply
                  MsM

                    Hi drshelley,

                    The application was dismissed on the grounds that the adjudicator could not established where the truth lied. 

                    The respondent got a lawyer to prepare a letter threatening defamation. The respondent also canvassed other neighbours including tennants who (8 in total) wrote all manner of character assassinations about me.

                    Friends both in Real Estate and outside – comforted me by explaining an adjudicator would look past these petty supporting letters in submission the respondent had garnered as petty. 

                    Further legal consultations confirmed my belief the adjudicator would look past these and with the building level decibel documents from FLATChat demonstrating the tiled floor starts at 72Db, and the noise diary – would make a reasonable decision. 

                    I also sought  legal advice regarding slander, defamation and slurring my character.  It was confirmed on legal advice- to keep the focus on the issue – the impact of the flooring rather than being diverted by the attempted character assassination.

                    I chose not to respond to the respondent’s submission – considering it disrespectful to the adjudicator and considering the adjudicator would look past some of the more fanciful supporting allegations neighbour’s made about my character.

                    I had been approached by several neighbours – all owners – who were more than happy to support my claim. I warned them the importance that CTTT would be concerned with was – is it immediately affecting these people supporting my claim. If the supporters waivered in their claims then my claim could be dismissed. 

                    I was gobsmacked that the respondent would allow others to defame, and slur my character – all claims were not supported with times or regaling of the incident. Again, maybe I was being to logical in outlook for the claim???

                    I accept that the adjudicator has chosen to take into account that playing music (which ceased some 4 and a half months ago when the respondent refused mediation through Community Justice Centre) was a factor that went against me. 

                    I accept that the circumstances demonstrate quite strongly that lack of communication, ignorance of the Strata Scheme Management Act, Strata By-laws and just common decency to be considerate of our neighbours has resulted in my claim.

                    The respondent ceased communication with me in any form from 8/8/2013. The respondent had until 1/9/2013 to mediate noise from the Lot. I kept a noise diary until 6/9/2013 and as I’d had no ceasation of the noises I pursued the matter with CTTT. 

                    The respondent has increased noise from their Lot in recent days (the decision came in some two weeks ago to myself directly and a week ago to all owners). In addition to this I have received harassing anonymous letters in the mail, and increased junk mail.

                    Whilst I accept everyone is entitled to their opinion, the recent harassing letter went off the rails casting all logic out the window. 

                    All of these harassing behaviours fall just short of breaking the law, and I feel they are being enflamed by the recent decision.

                    So it is back to the drawing board for my case. I’ve found the process a baptism of fire, it has been harrowing and distressing. I found that divulging my distress and the impacts on my medical conditions was like exposing myself to trolls and hyenas as people chose to comment on my medical conditions, rather than the focussing on the complaint.

                    I found it incredible that in the 21st Century people’s behaviour falls just short of grabbing pitchforks and hunting me down to burn me at the stake. 

                    I realise – had the respondents followed through with their initial part of the Community Justice Centre agreement as well as advising of the actions they had undertaken, it may have delayed or avoided the CTTT complaint in the first place. 

                    It demonstrates at the end of the day the need for a mechanism to address neighbourhood issues – I would say both myself and the respondent lack the ability to adequately communicate with each other which has compounding finding a long-term resolution to the problem. 

                    I also learnt in the process that the licensed NSW Real Estate agent who would not communicate with us during renovations to the Lot also works in the Real Estate which manages our Strata. I also learnt the Real Estate agent has sold properties in the complex and is aware of what the property looked like prior to it being sold in the as-is for renovation. I cannot understand then WHY the current owner was NOT provided with a copy of the Strata by-laws at the time of purchase??

                    Other owners confirmed being provided with the Strata-bylaws is a common practise on purchasing into a Strata Scheme (again call me silly and logical – I could only draw on my previous experience purchasing into a Community Title Scheme in QLD – where these were provided as part of the sale, and I experienced that same on purchasing my unit in NSW).

                    I’d like to see CTTT process explain what is acceptable evidence more explicitly. I’d like to see the privacy of people’s details maintained -I got prank hang up calls once the submission went out to all owners on the Strata roll. 

                    How is your case going???

                    *not for republication*

                    #20455 Reply
                    drshelley
                    Flatchatter

                      So sorry to hear of your dilemma – it never ceases to amaze me that adjudicators don’t seem to realise the level of stress and courage it even takes in the first place to make a complaint, go through mediation and then prepare a submission – while I realise they need to be fair you don’t put yourself through this unless the position is unbearable.

                      We are still in submission process – closing date next week, then we can view any other submissions including what our upstairs noise-makers have submitted – they had an acoustic test done the other day so we will be able to read the result of this as well.

                       

                      I don’t know how long we will have to wait for a result – with Xmas so close I don’t suppose we will hear for a couple of months but I really have no idea.  The whole process is a complete mystery and I think one  suggestion by ?Jimmy that there is a CTTT advocate to help one through the process is a great idea.  we are really doing this by the seat of our pants although if we don’t win we will seek legal advice re an appeal.  We retired here 9 years ago to our piece of paradise which has now been destroyed for 2 years.

                       

                       

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