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    Jimmy-T
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      Have things been getting a bit squeezy in your apartment parking lots recently?  Are you one of those unfortunates who have to push your Toyota Corolla in and out between a Toyota Hilux and a Ford Ranger, because your doors won’t open far enough?

      I mention those three models because the Hilux and Ranger are Australia’s two biggest selling vehicles with total sales of over 90,000 in 2018.  The nifty little Corolla came third with sales of just over 30,000.

      This is not a new phenomenon.  Crew-cab 4WDs, with four doors and a utility tray, have been the best-selling vehicles on our roads for the past three years.

      Add in other “monster” trucks like the Mitsubishi Triton, the Isuzu D-Max, the Nissan Navarra and even the Mercedes X Class and there would have to be a quarter of million of these huge vehicles on our roads right now.

      By the way, city slicker, what do you use it for – taking your Nespresso capsules for recycling?

      Anyway, what does this have to do with apartment living? The answer is, space and the lack thereof.

      At 5.33 metres long, the hugely popular Hilux SR5, only just fits into the regulation minimum car space length of 5.4 m.  The longer Ford Ranger is over the edge, literally.

      Now, a new block’s developer, mindful of the trends in vehicle sales, may have been generous with their parking allocations. But many will have squeezed every last square centimetre out of the available space and if you’re in an old building, the pips will be squeaking.

      The long-established minimum dimensions of 2.4 metres wide and 5.4 metres long for parking spaces were based decades ago on the average sizes of cars that would have allowed enough room for doors to swing open without scratching or denting the neighbour’s paintwork.

      But in the bumper to bumper battlefield of today’s strata parking, you could be making it hard on your neighbour just to get in and out of their car. And if you have anything else in your parking space, your super-ute is probably going to be across the line.

      Apart from forcing others to manoeuvre round you, your oversized truck is technically on common property and you could be breached and even towed under some strata laws.

      In truth, there seems to be a lot of give and take in strata on who can park what, and where.  It’s fairly common for town house residents to park their vehicles on a common property driveway while they fill their garages with all the stuff that won’t fit into their units.

      There’s probably a by-law that says they can’t do that without written permission, but if everyone’s doing it, who cares (apart from the poor blighter who can’t get to their garage at the end)?

      So what can you do if your parking spaces are taken over by way too many “monster” 4WDs and parking has become more of a hassle than it should be?

      Theoretically, you could put a width restriction on the size of vehicles that could be driven across common property. After all, you may have a height restriction to stop vans and trucks ripping the pipework and lighting off the ceilings.

      So if your monster ute fills every cubic centimetre of your parking space, and there’s a half dozen others nearby, don’t be surprised to see a new width restriction by-law proposed on the agenda of your next AGM.

      This column first appeared in the Australian Financial Review.

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      LawoftheLand
      Flatchatter

        These monsters trucks (with tiny drivers) should be banned from carparks if they don’t legally fit the allocated space provided.  We have one where I live, half the front end sticks out across the common property drive way. Honestly, why are they so big, surely a tradie doesn’t have that many tools.  It reminds me of the Freudian notion of some males preoccupation with size!!

        #31076 Reply
        Bn
        Flatchatter

          I’ll take the media bait …. 

          2017 Commodore – 1900mm 

          2019 Corolla – 1790mm

          2019 Hilux – 1855mm

          2019 Camry – 1840mm

          so actually you have more room than historically to open your doors….. Most of these trucks are relatively narrow ….

          Length can be an issue but width is normally the big factor in practical terms (per the article)… 

          #31077 Reply
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster
          Chat-starter

            @Bn said:
            I’ll take the media bait …. 

            2017 Commodore – 1900mm; 2019 Corolla – 1790mm; 2019 Hilux – 1855mm; 2019 Camry – 1840mm

            so actually you have more room than historically to open your doors.

            Not so … The standard Australia and NZ parking space width is based on the dimensions of a 1979 Ford Falcon which was 1870 mm wide.  At the time, 85 per cent of cars were narrower and the stated expectation was that it was highly unlikely that you would find two vehicles that wide, or wider,  parked adjacent to each other. That clearly is no longer the case.

            The Top of the line Ford Ranger (the second-best selling crew cab) is 2028 mm wide, the Mitsubishi Triton is 1815 mm, The Nissan Navarra STX is 1850 mm.

            Length can be an issue but width is normally the big factor in practical terms (per the article)…   

            The length may in fact be the main issue, and it’s not just about whether or not the vehicle goes over the line. The boffins who set the current standards did considerable research into turning circles of cars when being parked, working on the basis that not every square centimetre of parking space would be occupied by the vehicle.

            Imagine if you came home one day and discovered you neighbour had built a brick wall along the lines of their parking space or put a metal bollard on each corner. If every iota of a parking space is occupied by a nice shiny vehicle, the effect is the same.

            For comparison’s sake, the Navarra STX is 5255mm long, the Triton is 5280, the Ranger is 5398 and the Hilux 5330. The 79 Ford Falcon, on the dimension of which car spaces were first calculated, was 4865mm long  – a full half metre shorter than the Ford Ranger

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            #31078 Reply
            excathedra
            Flatchatter

              We are facing a ‘perfect storm’ of giant gentrified tradies’ trucks — e g VW Amarok, a new entrant from Mercedes-Benz, and probably other luxury brands. Add to these the familiar giant tarted-up farm implements that have been around for years under various illustrious labels, and imagine them side-by-side in parking lots built in the age of the XM Falcon and the EH Holden.

              Width is not necessarily any more of an issue than with a regular five-seat sedan (e g the Camry or Commodore mentioned by Bn) provided the vehicle is centred accurately between the marked lines. Tradies are generally very good at parking their crew-cab trucks accurately, but the same is not necessarily true of other family members still adjusting to the jump in size from the mid-sized hatchbacks to which they may have been accustomed. There will be similar problems with the giant SUVs that some may feel they need to maintain credibility in the school pickup queue or the carpool for Saturday sports.

              I argued in my submission to the review of the NSW Strata Management Act that it would be desirable to add some sort of preamble to the Act stating an expectation that occupants observe not just the letter of their Scheme’s By-laws, but also the spirit of those that are (or should be) intended to facilitate living at close quarters and sharing facilities. That could include the unwritten rule, obeyed by most of us, that we park in a way that does not deny our immediate neighbours a reasonable amount of space to access their correctly parked vehicles. It would be a challenge to codify this in a way that will allow it to be enforced for those who take the line that they can do what they like with their property unless there is a by-law that says they can’t.

              #31079 Reply
              Andy
              Flatchatter

                I just measured our designated car spaces. These are 3.5m long x 1.8m wide!

                There is spare common property to move some car spaces and make room for all. I guess we need to amend our bylaw but some people are very attached to their particular spot!

                #31082 Reply
                Jimmy-T
                Keymaster
                Chat-starter

                  Worth mentioning that some public (paid) car parks in USA cities charge more for SUVs. In this user-pays world, that could be a route worth exploring. 

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                  #68652 Reply
                  excathedra
                  Flatchatter

                    I own a VW Polo, and receive regular e-mails from the dealership where I bought it.  The latest one includes reference to the latest version of the Amarok truck and starts with

                    “That feeling you get when you know nothing stands in your way? That’s what it’s like to drive the all-new Amarok.
                    Now is your chance to get behind the wheel and max out on everything.”

                    What hope is there?

                    #68768 Reply
                    Flame Tree (Qld)
                    Flatchatter

                      Maybe it’s up to the big truck guys to propose a motion to increase all or some carpark space dimensions to accommodate these new vehicles. They will get the message either way, and either side will have something to lean on going forward.

                      #68770 Reply
                      Jimmy-T
                      Keymaster
                      Chat-starter

                        Just fine them for intruding over the line into common property (as most of them will).  As established elswhere in this website, it’s the length, not the width, that’s the issue.

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                        #68799 Reply
                        The Hood
                        Flatchatter

                          I own a VW Polo, and receive regular e-mails from the dealership where I bought it. The latest one includes reference to the latest version of the Amarok truck and starts with

                          “That feeling you get when you know nothing stands in your way? That’s what it’s like to drive the all-new Amarok.

                          Now is your chance to get behind the wheel and max out on everything.”

                          What hope is there?

                           

                          ….. In this user-pays world, that could be a route worth exploring.

                          Interesting FT, even NCAT, still talk of strata being collective living while we see the user pay vibe permeating other views.
                          Strata has lost its identity as people from the user pay world move in.

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